what CALIBERs do you consider inherently inaccurate ??

I don't believe there is an inaccurate chambering. I recall the 22 hornet was the rage for benchestrest Then came the 222. Was it the chambering or the platform? The 7-- seriries of Remingtons have been the greatest improvement in accuracy ever. This was succeeded by the 6ppc. Is it a more accurate round or just due the fact that the Norma brass was better than anything available at the time. The 300 H&H dominated long range matches and the 300 Win Mag came out. Conventional wisdom at the time said the neck was too short. This was replaced by the 6.5x284. and short fat cases became the rage because everybody knows they are better. How do we explain the 6.5x55?
I believe what determines accuracy as first the barrel quality and how it is fitted including bedding. Secondly the quality of brass . And then the bullet or how it performs in your rifle Probably the the type of powder is least significant unless you pick something not appropriate for caliber..

Neil
 
I have seen a newer browning t-bolt with the light barrel in 22 mag shoot group after group under moa at 100 yards. Winchester ammo is all I know.

I bought and traded a savage 25 walking varminter to a friend for a 22-250 savage model 10 that wouldn't shoot. I knew it didn't and couldnt make it go moa myself. I wanted it for the action. anyway that 22 hornet, he tried lil gun and a 40 gr v-max`and the darn thing is under .5 at 100 yards. thing is with the v-max loaded to function in the mag there is like a 100 thou jump to the lands! yet it shoots just superb.

I know a group of about 10 guys who all hunt coyotes wit 223s. one of them tried a ruger 77 stainless in 204 ruger once. coudnt get it to group under 2 inches. so according to all 10 guys the 204 is a piece of @#$%. inaccurate, and not enough power to kill a coyote and all stainless rugers are absolute garbage. I tell them my 204 (not a ruger riflle) shoots 5 shot groups u can cover with a 5 cent piece, half the time a penny. and ive killed 50+ coyotes with it. well apparently i'm a liar and the 204 remains an inaccurate piece of crap with not enough power for a coyote. funny thing is some of them use 17 hornets and 17 fireballs and there the perfect coyote gun all of a sudden. figure that out.
 
a j cave said:
My vote for the cartridge is 30 Ml carbine. It gets tiring trying to read through this thread with so much unrelated crap posted.
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Agree about the tiring part. It wasn't a troll question but a real curiosity.

Again, in this case is it the caliber or the rifle it's usually used in ? I never think of the 30 Carbine as accurate either but like say SKS's maybe its the rifle ?
 
madashell said:
Agree about the tiring part. It wasn't a troll question but a real curiosity.

Again, in this case is it the caliber or the rifle it's usually used in ? I never think of the 30 Carbine as accurate either but like say SKS's maybe its the rifle ?
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Setting aside my joke about Winchester Whitebox for a moment...

I don't think there really is such a thing as an inherently inaccurate calibre or cartridge. Every cartridge has its limitations, but within those limitations, they can all be made to be fairly accurate.

Rimfire Cartridges? Generally reasonably accurate out to 100 yards or so.

Pistol Calibre Cartridges out of a carbine? Reasonably accurate out to 150 yards or so.

Intermediate Calibre Cartridges? Reasonably accurate out to 300 yards or so.

Traditional full powered 30 calibre cartridges (and there's a metric crapton of variations of these) ? 500-800 yards or so.

And for every one of the generalizations above, there are exceptions... Some effectively accurate further, some not as far.

In a good rifle, with consistent loads (and it's the consistency of the load that matters more than anything), you'll get reasonable accuracy.

It's a matter of setting your accuracy and range expectations to the same level that the cartridge was designed to perform at.

SKS and x39 innacurate? It will do minute of badguy out past 300 yards. That's what it was designed to do.

30 Calibre Carbine? 200-250 yards or so, minute of badguy. Again, what it was designed to do.

To much time is wasted on achieving the perfect sub-MOA groups, on paper, at the range, at known distances, from a bench, in ideal weather conditions. And a lot of that all goes out the window when you've got a buck downrange.

Would I take my Win 94 in 30-30 to a bullseye competition? No. Would I take it deer hunting? Yes.
 
It comes back to the OP definition of accurate. It's a loaded (pardon the pun) question. There will be no right answer due to personal experience(s). Can also be interpreted as a reciprocating question. The answers given will answer the question but will always return to the statement "define accurate?"
Shoot the bullet through the same hole at 1000 miles (being facetious) type accurate 408 Cheytac, 416 Barrett. Suitable hunting round for game probably not.
Accurate calibre or cartridge...whatever you shoot well and it matches the game or situation in question. My 243, 270, 7x57's, CZ .22, 300WM, 300Wby, 8x68S, 404 Jeffery, 416 Rigby, 450 Rigby & 30mm mini-gun shoot great....well the mini-gun doesn't matter it just blasts the crap out of everything!
 
c-fbmi said:
I'm with you Hoyt..........I'm here and have your back........nothing shooting a .277 dia bullet is accurate, they are all junk and it is most certainly a product of the caliber..............This caliber is so inaccurate that I can prove it.
Go to 3 gunshops that sell reloading components......look at the bullet shelf, notice anything....no 7mm bullets, no 30 cal bullets, no 25 cal bullets and no 6.5 mm bullets but boxes and boxes and boxes of .277 bullets in weights from 75 grains to 150 grains. SO apparently the 270s are so inaccurate that people just settle for factory and don't even bother trying to work up a better load. This is the only logical conclusion................

But seriously I have noticed gobs of every 270 bullet made on component sellers shelves, while every other caliber slot is empty or has a couple real oddball weights. So much so that I have briefly and only fleetingly considered something using a .277 bullet, but I shook it off and bought the 23 gn 7mms instead and a box of the 368 gn 30 cals.
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There is no such beast, sorry to burst the bubble.
Acuracey rests in the hands of the shooter, to much coffee or Red Bull might cause the inaccuracy.
As for the comments about .277 bullets means there is more selection for me and my 270WSM for when shtf or bear defence of unicorn defence,et all.
Tight Groups,
Rob
 
My PH 1200C in 270W is plenty accurate, well, 1" @ 200 accurate with 140 NAB's. Maybe Doug considers that crap, but for me that's excellent!!!

Inherently inaccurate..... Rifles maybe, caliber or cartridge, not really. My Glock 22C is a single pellet scattergun, doesn't make 40 cal inherently inaccurate!!
 
madashell said:
We all know fine tuning a load to your rifle often improves accuracy of a given caliber (assuming you have a quality rifle).

Some calibers like the 7.62 x 39 for example more often than not get a very bad rap as being inaccurate... yet quality factory x39 and hand loads in a good bolt action can be very accurate ... therefore the x39 is NOT inherently inaccurate.

Have you found that a particular calibre is simply not accurate because of the caliber ITSELF ? Not the rifle, or the load not being tuned to the rifle etc. etc.

Or ... do you find ANY caliber can be MADE reasonably accurate ? (with good rifle and tuned load).
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I don't know if you mean calibers or cartridges? Anyway, I'll go with cartridges: 222, 223 rem, 243 win, 240 wby, 257 wby, 260 rem, 6.5x55 SE, 6.5x284 norma, 7mm WSM, 308 win, 300 H&H.
 
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