S&W range kit question?
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I had two M&P,s one new and one used with the Apex trigger upgrade. The used one , which cost me $200 less than the new one was way nicer. I sold both and lost money on the new one. Get a used one off the EE ,a 1000 or so rnds will mean nothing and if you decide you don't like it ,you can sell it, without taking a loss. And you probably don't need the mag loader,it's not that hard to load the mags.
Well then there's only one way to solve this, you have to ask yourself , what would William Wallace do... Would he buy the rusty , dull sword or would he buy the sharp , high quality steel sword...
William Wallace would by the CZ SP-01 Scottish edition for sure
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The fns also comes with 3 mags
I like the M&P9's, and for getting into shooting I'd recommend one of these over a CZ:
i think once you go through the motions of the above, you will really know what you like and dont like. even after the apex trigger the $500 you save for a similar CZ setup, can translate into +-2,000 more rounds down range, which is arguably more important than the gun (for a beginner). if you dont like the m&p afterall, you can sell it and recoup 70-80% of the purchase price.
- relatively inexpensive to start, with great value in the range kit
- parts are easily sourced and inexpensive (made in the USA vs the republic)
- a less than stellar stock trigger will teach you good trigger control
- learn good gun control mechanics with a lighter/snappier gun
- ability to upgrade to the apex trigger - can choose to customize based on your intention with the gun, and try a few different setups budget permitting (competition/carry, AEK/FSS, flat/curved, polymer/aluminium)
i think once you go through the motions of the above, you will really know what you like and dont like. even after the apex trigger the $500 you save for a similar CZ setup, can translate into +-2,000 more rounds down range, which is arguably more important than the gun (for a beginner). if you dont like the m&p afterall, you can sell it and recoup 70-80% of the purchase price.
Excellent well reasoned advice for any new shooter. I would add just changing the trigger return spring reduces the trigger pull and if you replace the FPB with an Apex block the smoother trigger is noticeable. These are two of the easiest changes to make for under $50. The CZ Shadow is an excellent gun for IPSC Production but it is heavy, few I know of can take advantage of the small amount of extra weight of the extended dust cover and the rail for most is useless.
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Bob
There's a CZ shadow for $850 on the EE, that's about the same as a M&p9. And could some one explain how a gritty,sloppy, heavy , and a lonnggggg trigger pull will make you a better shooter. I found I was a much better shooter with my Springfeild RO,S&W 686 and 45 LC than I was with my M&P. I don't suppose that the fact all three had nice crisp, light triggers had anything to do with it?
Fair enough, but he didn't say he was using it for IDPA or ISPC. So it's probably a range gun for punching paper. So for the two that I had , it was horrible for that. I know my revolvers are more accurate because of what they are. But so was the RO that I had. The M&P may be the cats azz for IDPA but is it really a great starter pistol for a paper puncher? I don't think so. I know 3 guys who had one and quickly sold them.(we have no competition shooting sports near me). I personly don't know how good a CZ is but I do know that they get all good reviews whereas the M&P gets a lot of bad reviews. So from my experience of having bought a couple of the budget guns, I won't go down that Rd again. Too costly. I now just save a bit more and get better gear, saves in the long run.
What you really are saying is you have little or no experience with either gun but simply passing on what someone else said based upon someones experience.
If he decides to shoot IDPA or 3 Gun or just plink at his range he will have a quality firearm totally capable of outperforming his abilities and will do so for as long as he lives. Spending $200 more isn't saving money in the long or short term.
Bob
For what it is the M&P range kit is a good value for what you pay...if you can afford more, then buy a higher end pistol, but if not, the M&P is a great entry point. It will hold its value reasonably well...You can always sell it in a year or two for 75-80% of what you paid and put that towards an upgrade...something like a Sig a Sauer (sorry, shameless fan boy plug).
I don't think that's what I said. I had 2 M&P 9 one with the trigger upgrade and put a few thousand rnds through them, I also had the SVDE , same trigger. So if that means no experience , the I guess I have none. I've seen countless threads on the M&P , where to buy trigger upgrades,sight upgrades etc . Also I've seen up to 5 M&Ps for sale on the EE on a single day. So they may be great for you but I and apparently many others , think they're not so hot. Tell it like it is. It's a budget gun.
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Hangar Rash
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Well, it all comes down to intended use -- and available budget. If planning on getting into something in action shooting like IPSC or IDPA, the M&P's range kit makes for a great, inexpensive and easy-to-learn starting point. Being striker-fired, it also has the advantage of a consistent trigger pull, as opposed to the CZ's DA/SA combo (with its DA pull somewhere up around 10 lb.) And with no external safety to mess with, the M&P is also friendlier for a beginner getting used to IPSC/IDPA holster work. That said, you'll likely find yourself upgrading to a Shadow once you gain some experience -- the CZ is certainly the dominant pistol in IPSC Production.
In general, the M&P is a little simpler to disassemble for cleaning. On the negative side, the M&P's stock trigger certainly cannot be described as precise -- it can be gritty and more than a little vague (try before you buy). And, accuracy-wise, the CZ Shadow will typically generate smaller groups -- as you might expect for its considerably higher price. Reliability-wise, both are excellent choices.
In general, the M&P is a little simpler to disassemble for cleaning. On the negative side, the M&P's stock trigger certainly cannot be described as precise -- it can be gritty and more than a little vague (try before you buy). And, accuracy-wise, the CZ Shadow will typically generate smaller groups -- as you might expect for its considerably higher price. Reliability-wise, both are excellent choices.
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the basis of that would be that if your fundementals are good, you will shoot well with anything, but if they are poor you use the better trigger as training wheels. Anyone can shoot well with a well set up 1911, but if you can shoot well fast with a stock striker fired gun, you can probably shoot well with anything. And this means not moving the sights to compensate for over triggering or anticipating recoil. Some of my best deals on used handguns come with sights that are set high and right, compensating for the above issues.
winchester1852
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Would glocks be considered budget pistols.
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- West Quebec
Not at $1000.00 bucks
