Wolf trapping..

You asked a question Ardent, I answered. Would it have been in better taste to private message my response? I make no apologies for my brief bio. There are many successful people and professionals on this forum and we all have much to learn from one another.

I am very surprised that with all the experience from the hunting and trapping community that no one had raised the correlation of clearcutting and the decline of lichen (the major food source of caribou, although not the sole food source) to correspond to woodland caribou declines...that was a rather easy connection.

Of course Ardent brought up fire and it's importance in the issue as well. Forest fires help recycle nutrients and assist in the opening of pine and spruce cones during such events, which spurns regeneration in conifer forests.

I'm confused how a few thousand wolves can account for an entire decline in big game populations in most provinces and especially Manitoba and Saskatchewan for the last 6 years according to my records. I only saw one collyote this year hunting, which was the least of the last 6 years.
 
You had to ask...

It means that when I buy that tag...I'm filling it with the animal I want and I don't settle for less. It means being relentless and puttin in the work needed to achieve your goal...that mature buck or bag limit of grouse or whatever.

It means operating at the highest level you can and getting or exceeding the results you want...

That's what makes me successful...it's about results.

Which is why I am now set on producing animals through conservation rather than just killing them and taking something out of nature without replacing it. I have mastered that with mature deer and birds every year despite fluctuating populations. I have yet to master the art of creating or altering the ideal conditions neccessary to produce the quality and quantity of game that I want.

What does it mean to you?
 
So I'm disappointed and frankly pissed off with the game managers inabilities and ineptness to supply the hunting community with adequate game populations to meet hunter and angler demand

Guess we could open a season on hunters and anglers, about the only way to cut down on the demand side, where the problem lies. :)

Grizz
 
You had to ask...

It means that when I buy that tag...I'm filling it with the animal I want and I don't settle for less. It means being relentless and puttin in the work needed to achieve your goal...that mature buck or bag limit of grouse or whatever.

It means operating at the highest level you can and getting or exceeding the results you want...

That's what makes me successful...it's about results.

Which is why I am now set on producing animals through conservation rather than just killing them and taking something out of nature without replacing it. I have mastered that with mature deer and birds every year despite fluctuating populations. I have yet to master the art of creating or altering the ideal conditions neccessary to produce the quality and quantity of game that I want.

What does it mean to you?

Trophy Hunter

This term means you do not have to hunt for subsistence, as the Trophy Hunter is not under pressure to take the first animals seen, and can be hyper-selective for old, mature individuals. Generally, the dedicated Trophy Hunter also is acutely aware of and concerned with conservation as they realize their sport has no future without it. The Trophy Hunter will go to lengths subsistence and casual hunters will not, such as buying large tracts of land, painting its face and filming its exploits.

I'm having fun with this umchorn and respect trophy hunting a great deal, I also partake in it myself both personally and as the guide. But you are a long, long ways from a "Professional Hunter" and amusingly hold about as much claim to the term as you do to the PhD.

Off the wall question, you don't happen to have a relation named track, do you?
 
Trophy Hunter

This term means you do not have to hunt for subsistence, as the Trophy Hunter is not under pressure to take the first animals seen, and can be hyper-selective for old, mature individuals. Generally, the dedicated Trophy Hunter also is acutely aware of and concerned with conservation as they realize their sport has no future without it. The Trophy Hunter will go to lengths subsistence and casual hunters will not, such as painting its face and filming its exploits.

I'm having fun with this umchorn and respect trophy hunting a great deal, I also partake in it myself both personally and as the guide. But you are a long, long ways from a "Professional Hunter" and amusingly hold about as much claim to the term as you do to the PhD.

See.... That's the thing.... Trophy hunters don't hunt in high fenced 40 acre zoos where they grow their own deer and cull everything that doesn't have high B&C potential.....

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1360805-The-most-quot-Anti-Hunting-quot-Province
 
I am a trapper as well and here in the lower parts of Central Ontario we have a Coyote problem. They have however relaxed the laws for us this year with the use of restraint snares now .
 
"equal of any PHD"

does not understand the definition of the word professional

Another guy who went to a mid tier university and studied enough biology to be dangerous chiming in here:

Seriously though I love shooting stuff as much as anyone but the point about clear cutting and caribou populations is I think a decent one. Doesn't mean wolves don't have an impact on caribou populations. An overburdened predator population can only sustain itself for so long it's true; but in the course of this species on the verge of extirpation may just end up there.

Any attempt to blame hunters wolves etc is pretty funny if it doesn't also acknowledge the effect on species at risk from development.
 
'Disappointed and pissed off with game managers inabilities to supply the hunting community with opportunities''......if there was a huge INCREASE in hunter numbers ,there might be done excuse but in 40 years there has been about a 60% DECREASE in hunters, and in the same time we have all manner of hunting restrictions(LEH) theoretically designed to INCREASE moose populations...so a fair question might be ' where are all these 'increased' hunting opportunities?(I am aware that historically there were no moose in southern BC ,that is a phenomena seen in the last 150 years and at the same time whitetail deer are expanding their range north,not sure about elk although on VI they are increasing(due in some part to relocation) and moving south)
I'm not a biologist nor am I in the industry, but it seems to me that habitat enhancement might be a good start,we can't influence the weather( ticks) ...but burning beetle kill areas to at least increase browse might be a good start...in some areas they have fenced off highways to reduce deer road kill in high density wintering grounds....
 
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"equal of any PHD"

does not understand the definition of the word professional

Another guy who went to a mid tier university and studied enough biology to be dangerous chiming in here:

Seriously though I love shooting stuff as much as anyone but the point about clear cutting and caribou populations is I think a decent one. Doesn't mean wolves don't have an impact on caribou populations. An overburdened predator population can only sustain itself for so long it's true; but in the course of this species on the verge of extirpation may just end up there.

Any attempt to blame hunters wolves etc is pretty funny if it doesn't also acknowledge the effect on species at risk from development.

Who said he even studied Biology? He didn't even say what type of degree, just "undergrad and then some" which could be a certificate (1year) Diploma or Associates (2 years) or a Bachelors degree (4 years), although the "and then some" would seem to imply he started graduate studies, but never finished (Or he got a lesser degree and never finished his Bachelors, although that wouldn't be undergrad and then some) I am going to go ahead and assume hes got something like an ECON, Philosophy, or History degree which has basically zero bearing on the topic being discussed.

Obviously he doesn't have a geology or chemistry degree, because otherwise he would know that minerals dont create acid rain, stuff like SO2 (sulphur dioxide) and NO2 (Nitrogen dioxide) as well as CO2 (the all mighty carbon dioxide) create acid rain when they mix with water in the atmosphere.

Forestry is an issue, absolutely. But it is far from the ONLY issue. Predator populations are also a big issue. So is other industry, like Mining and Gas, which both cause great amounts of habitat fragmentation and pollution of the surrounding environment. Road construction/maintenance doesn't help either, roads are built wherever it is easiest to construct them, which often is the same places that game animals use to get around because its easier to traverse.

Furthermore, you have climate change. Increasing temperatures (this February was the warmest February ever recorded) have a few major impacts. Animal populations are moving northward to cope, and plant species are doing the same. This also effects the alpine, as the tree line is getting higher up the hillslopes, limiting the space available for the vegetation that typically grows above the tree line.

Then you have changes in precipitation. For every 1 degree in temp change, the air can hold ~7% more water, which means more precip in general, but less snow. This means rivers are changing too. Less snow to melt effects when the maximum peak flows occur. Rain instead of snow in the fall creates higher flows in the fall. River systems that were previously dominated by snow melt, or glacier melt, are changing to rainfall-runoff dominated systems.

Finally, its not solely up to the "game managers" to protect hunting opportunities. They do what they can with the resources they have. This is much too big of a problem to blame one small group of individuals, when the blame really lies with many people, including but not limited to government, heads of industry, and those damn hippies.

Christy Clark Rocks!

BLASPHEMY! While her cull may be a good idea, shes a horrible horrible person that is completely screwing over our province. Wheres all that LNG money she promised? She said we'd have 100 000 jobs, pay off our debt with the revenue, and have a $100-billion slush fund too. There is exactly 0 projects underway so far.

How about the Site C dam? BC Hydro projects our current levels of power production will be sufficient until at least 2028. In the process, she will flood 13 000 hectares of some of BC's most productive farmland. Wanna know whats more important that power we dont need? FOOD. [Of course, this whole project is ACTUALLY all about providing cheap power to the LNG industry, all while the public foots the bill to the tune of $8.8 billion, not including transmission lines (add close to another billion for those)]

Also, do you have any idea how much money she wasted taking the teachers to court over their last contract? Which she lost. Twice. Now she is implementing a new high school curriculum, which includes scrapping Social Studies 11 in favor of a bunch of single-topic courses (history 11, geography 11, ect) which will more than likely end up being online-only courses because there will not be enough students in most schools to fill all of these new classes. Shes also talking about including programming into the curriculum, even though there is nobody to teach it and not enough computer access for all students to learn it.
 
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I was not so lucky to get a Quality education but strongly believe that experience is far superior to Book Smart
I'm more incline to listen to an old trapper ,over a Government hired biologist
 
Suther, why did you have to go and write a thought out, intelligent reply to this rodeo and bring it all down to earth?

Reality kills all fun we're having leading umchorn to make various incredible and strategically vague claims. I have no doubt the education is as impressive as the professional hunting. Or that his wealth of private, well managed land in Manitoba would make any land holders here green with envy.

I'm getting nasty and should go have a coffee... This is just too much fun.
 
I was not so lucky to get a Quality education but strongly believe that experience is far superior to Book Smart
I'm more incline to listen to an old trapper ,over a Government hired biologist

Getting an education is only partly about book smarts. You also gain boatloads of experience along the way.

Although you exemplify the fact that education is underrated in Canada. I would absolutely listen to a biologist who's knowledgeable about a particular topic such as this. Or any other well educated individual. Hell, I'm a physical geography student, and from that education I've learned about many relevant factors others might overlook.

Educated people tend to value facts and evidence, and have the necessary skills to find the necessary facts to support or reject a hypothesis. Obviously this isn't always the case (there's plenty of educated anti gun people who ignore facts for instance) but given a choice between listening to some old trapper who claims wolf numbers are up, vs a biologist who has actual figures (and maybe a graph! I love graphs lol) to support his claim, guess which one will get my ear...(i know, bad example because they are both claiming the same thing, but still. Even with them claiming the same thing, the biologist can quantify the change in numbers, while the trapper can only tell me they've gone up)
 
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Suther, why did you have to go and write a thought out, intelligent reply to this rodeo and bring it all down to earth?

Reality kills all fun we're having leading umchorn to make various incredible and strategically vague claims. I have no doubt the education is as impressive as the professional hunting. Or that his wealth of private, well managed land in Manitoba would make any land holders here green with envy.

I'm getting nasty and should go have a coffee... This is just too much fun.

Sorry man. My analytical nature can be a buzzkill sometimes lol
 
In BC fishery is a mess and it all to do with miss management from so cald educated experts
I can tell you ther will be no good salmon runs till we get a good snowpack on the mountains

Wolfs pack in the winter and hunt in packs it's easier to hunt as a singl unit
Spring the pack separates and each Wolf becomes an individual killing machine.
Each individual wolf hunts on ther own hunting the new born's
just like the salmon the wolf problems will continue as long as we continue having short winters
I wish the so called educated expert would just stop and learn to look at the mountains
 
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In BC fishery is a mess and it all to do with miss management from so cald educated experts
I can tell you ther will be no good salmon runs till we get a good snowpack on the mountains

Wolfs pack in the winter and hunt in packs it's easier to hunt as a singl unit
Spring the pack separates and each Wolf becomes an individual killing machine.
Each individual wolf hunts on ther own hunting the new born's
just like the salmon the wolf problems will continue as long as we continue having short winters
I wish the so called educated expert would just stop and learn to look at the mountains

Oh there is more to blame than mismanagement by the experts. Blame government for allowing industry to destroy habitat and pollute the water. Blame industry for doing this. Blame poachers for taking fish they aren't supposed to, by methods they aren't supposed to. Its not uncommon to see people drift-netting on the Fraser for instance. Blame society for not valueing the fishery enough... Im not saying "experts" are not to blame at all, but they are hardly the only reason...
 
Oh there is more to blame than mismanagement by the experts. Blame government for allowing industry to destroy habitat and pollute the water. Blame industry for doing this. Blame poachers for taking fish they aren't supposed to, by methods they aren't supposed to. Its not uncommon to see people drift-netting on the Fraser for instance. Blame society for not valueing the fishery enough... Im not saying "experts" are not to blame at all, but they are hardly the only reason...

The pont I'm making is as long as we have short easy winter the Wolfes will continue to be a problem it has nothing to do with Trappers
It's a Environmental problem Canada winters are getting to warm
 
In BC fishery is a mess and it all to do with miss management from so cald educated experts
I can tell you ther will be no good salmon runs till we get a good snowpack on the mountains

Wolfs pack in the winter and hunt in packs it's easier to hunt as a singl unit
Spring the pack separates and each Wolf becomes an individual killing machine.
Each individual wolf hunts on ther own hunting the new born's
just like the salmon the wolf problems will continue as long as we continue having short winters
I wish the so called educated expert would just stop and learn to look at the mountains

"The salmon failed with us last season. This generally occurs every second year and completely so every forth year."

"Their skins are of no value... the wolves are allowed to multiply and some parts of the country are completely overrun by them."

These are an account from BC, any guess on the year?
 
BC thers only a handfull of trappers with the experience to trap wolfs in any Numbers

I'm a trapper I do not have the practical experience to trap wolfs
Coyotes ,fox,beaver,marten,lynx ,and Wolverine is a difrent mater
It take a long time to becom a good wolf trapper
 
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Who said he even studied Biology? He didn't even say what type of degree, just "undergrad and then some" which could be a certificate (1year) Diploma or Associates (2 years) or a Bachelors degree (4 years), although the "and then some" would seem to imply he started graduate studies, but never finished (Or he got a lesser degree and never finished his Bachelors, although that wouldn't be undergrad and then some) I am going to go ahead and assume hes got something like an ECON, Philosophy, or History degree which has basically zero bearing on the topic being discussed.

Obviously he doesn't have a geology or chemistry degree, because otherwise he would know that minerals dont create acid rain, stuff like SO2 (sulphur dioxide) and NO2 (Nitrogen dioxide) as well as CO2 (the all mighty carbon dioxide) create acid rain when they mix with water in the atmosphere.

Forestry is an issue, absolutely. But it is far from the ONLY issue. Predator populations are also a big issue. So is other industry, like Mining and Gas, which both cause great amounts of habitat fragmentation and pollution of the surrounding environment. Road construction/maintenance doesn't help either, roads are built wherever it is easiest to construct them, which often is the same places that game animals use to get around because its easier to traverse.

Furthermore, you have climate change. Increasing temperatures (this February was the warmest February ever recorded) have a few major impacts. Animal populations are moving northward to cope, and plant species are doing the same. This also effects the alpine, as the tree line is getting higher up the hillslopes, limiting the space available for the vegetation that typically grows above the tree line.

Then you have changes in precipitation. For every 1 degree in temp change, the air can hold ~7% more water, which means more precip in general, but less snow. This means rivers are changing too. Less snow to melt effects when the maximum peak flows occur. Rain instead of snow in the fall creates higher flows in the fall. River systems that were previously dominated by snow melt, or glacier melt, are changing to rainfall-runoff dominated systems.

Finally, its not solely up to the "game managers" to protect hunting opportunities. They do what they can with the resources they have. This is much too big of a problem to blame one small group of individuals, when the blame really lies with many people, including but not limited to government, heads of industry, and those damn hippies.



BLASPHEMY! While her cull may be a good idea, shes a horrible horrible person that is completely screwing over our province. Wheres all that LNG money she promised? She said we'd have 100 000 jobs, pay off our debt with the revenue, and have a $100-billion slush fund too. There is exactly 0 projects underway so far.

How about the Site C dam? BC Hydro projects our current levels of power production will be sufficient until at least 2028. In the process, she will flood 13 000 hectares of some of BC's most productive farmland. Wanna know whats more important that power we dont need? FOOD. [Of course, this whole project is ACTUALLY all about providing cheap power to the LNG industry, all while the public foots the bill to the tune of $8.8 billion, not including transmission lines (add close to another billion for those)]

Also, do you have any idea how much money she wasted taking the teachers to court over their last contract? Which she lost. Twice. Now she is implementing a new high school curriculum, which includes scrapping Social Studies 11 in favor of a bunch of single-topic courses (history 11, geography 11, ect) which will more than likely end up being online-only courses because there will not be enough students in most schools to fill all of these new classes. Shes also talking about including programming into the curriculum, even though there is nobody to teach it and not enough computer access for all students to learn it.

productive farmland??..what do they grow there??...forage crops. Not exactly productive area for forage crops for they only get one cut as well. It is a beautiful place with wildlife values but not really near as a productive farming area as the fraser delta.
 
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