Ruger American....wow, what a piece of crap!

Superbrad said:
Shhhh.... Next thing you know, you will be telling him to research investment casting and how much time and effort goes into it.....
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Is it stronger then forgings & billet, or cheaper to produce then milling the entire piece?
If it's done because it makes a stronger steel then sure, I'd be cool with that. If it's done as an OK/acceptable steel but really with cost savings in mind due to less finish machining then no thanks....
So which is it?
 
Hitzy said:
Is it stronger then forgings & billet, or cheaper to produce then milling the entire piece?
If it's done because it makes a stronger steel then sure, I'd be cool with that. If it's done as an OK/acceptable steel but really with cost savings in mind due to less finish machining then no thanks....
So which is it?
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Neither or..... It's just a different process altogether...... And the QC that goes into it is costly.....

To be honest, it's almost tantamount to the push feed vs CRF argument..... Go with what you like.....

I do agree with you though, what you got was unacceptable...... But, as a P.eng and a guy that was in manufacturing for 10 years with some pretty big companies, these sneak through..... It's why, if i were in your shoes, I wouldn't judge a whole line or company based on one sample......

For a manufacturer to offer a "budget" rifle, it means that human costs get cut..... These costs include inspection, check weighing of parts, dimensional checks etc..... That is just how the manufacturing world works..... Labour hours are always the number one cost for any manufacturer..... And if you want to offer something on the cheap, it is always the first place that costs are cut.... And assumptions are made....

I like your spirit and that you are willing to buy cheapies to test new cartridges..... Kind of cool actually..... I considered a TC contender at one point for same reason......

Not defending Ruger..... What you got was crap..... But to say all 700's are green light because your 783 shot good and looked decent would be jumping the shark in the opposite direction (not saying you are doing this).... Just that everything is relative....
 
Kinda suprised at all the hate on the American,I have one in 270.Shoots straight,just as good as a rifles costing twice or more.I cant believe we are complaining about the bolt making a "zipper" sound pfff wow.Never woulda guessed that would be a topic even gun owners would or could ##### about.That bolt by the way, is so damn smooth it cycles by just the weight of the rifle all on its own.Secondly I find it to shoot better then most of us who are complaining about how crappy the thing is.Also another thing hunters over look on rifles,being how obsessed they are about shooting sub moa groups for a hunting rifle,this thing does great off hand.I admit I dont like that the stock is off centered and for end of it is flimsy yes but I cant say I have noticed any variances at all when loaded with a by pod or even when applying pressure on the stock with a sling it always shoots straight.It does have some flaws yes but all I am saying is the one i got is really everything a hunting rifle should be.
 
shooter12345 said:
I have one in 270.Shoots straight,just as good as a rifles costing twice or more.

is really everything a hunting rifle should be.
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Shooting straight is one thing. A pinto will get you to work but some people like a bmw

It is everything a 2016 cheap hunting rifle is. There is a reason it is cheap. Personally there are much better rifles of quality in the used market for what these sell for new. Hell gf just bought a winchester model 70 fwt with less then 100 rounds down the pipe for $750 shipped. A new american is $500 + taxes so for $200 more she bought a rifle that has some quality to it, isn't made as chap as possible and will outlive anyone on the forum.
 
Hitzy said:
Have you seen or handled a Vanguard? They are beefy, smooth, made from forged steel and billet, great triggers, well finished made in Japan where manufacturing pride still exists.
I would never own a Ruger 77, cast everything, horrible trigger, all for the low low price of $1000+. Wayyy overpriced for what you get.
I have a few 700's and 70's, they are fine guns. I just don't need a $1000 gun for every application, or just to piss around with a new cartridge to see if I like it.
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The Hawkeyes have a good trigger. Comparable to the X-Mark Pro, M70 ect. Yes the Mk II had atrocious triggers.

The smoothest feeding rifle I own is a M77, by a long shot. Puts my 700s to shame.
 
Hitzy said:
Since I had all the other popular "budget" guns in the stable (Axis/783/Howa1500/Vanguard) I bit the bullet and got one of these Americans before the new pricing kicked in. I've never been so disappointed in a new rifle in my life...
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Hitzy, why don't you do a review of all the budget guns? Include the M85 also.
Others have done reviews on expensive guns that most mortals cannot afford, but these budget guns are popular today.
The demand for cheap guns and then the need to accurize them or convert them into target guns.
 
hometownhero said:
No longer does Made in 'merica stand for quality.
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Totally agree with your sentiment. Once upon a time made in the USA stood for something. I think these days if you want a quality firearm look at any European manufacturer.

Even some Snap On tools made in USA are not the same standard as they once were. It's a race to the bottom these days.
 
Travis Bickle said:
Sounds like you're getting what you pay for then! That's damn fine accuracy for the price.
Who gives a rats a*s what a rifle looks like if it shoots like that for that price? lol
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Here you go....shoots consistent 1/2 moa, only $399, cheaper then a Ruger American and shoots better too.
So would you buy it? I mean who cares what it looks like right, shoots great....
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People have different expectations at different price points. I remember the $1000 T97 threads where the guns had flash holes drilled through the other side of the bore, guns that wouldn't feed, but hey it's a $1000 bullpup and a tavor costs $2500 so it's still a great deal right?
Difference is I'm comparing the American to other rifles in a similar price range and same category, that don't have the same lousy finish or short comings, and shoot just as well or better.
A bolt gun that shoots MOA is not some marvel of engineering... I have 100 year old milsurps that will do that with iron sights consistently. Accuracy is the LEAST expensive feature to manufacture in a rifle, Savage retails it for $250. I expect MOA form any new rifle today at any price point. It's the other features like the stock/mag's/trigger/weight AND fit/finish that separate the budget rifles from one another.
I don't think expectations need to be so low with the budget category, there are some pretty decent value guns out there.... Unfortunately the RAR isn't one of them.
 
Yes i would agree that the OP, who seems to have owned most of the budget guns; should do a objective review of them all in comparison to each other , and common used guns in the same price category.

Unfortunately it would degenerate into >>>>>its a great gun for the money/your a gun snob vs its #### gun/i will stick to my ______at 3 X the price.

Worth a try.
 
pisces-guy said:
Neither do I, but the stock contacting the barrel on one side would've had a negative effect on accuracy, and cycling the bolt for a fast second shot, if necessary, is easier when it cycles as smooth as glass. Besides, why tolerate something I can improve with a bit of time and effort?
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You can fix that stock contact in 10 minutes, but good chance it will be back again in 6 months because the stock itself is cheap junk. You can't fix junk. The rest of the rifle is decent mechanically but the stock is worthless.
 
It not only shoots straight it has a solid bolt that extracts better than most,good trigger and detachable mag that all work fine not much more u need in a hunting rifle.Well ya if you want a more pretty rifle like a BMW dont even waiste your time talking about the ruger obviously,its made to function well at a low cost and not look cute doing it thats why I got it.I got it at the lower price point too all in just under $500 I would look at other options too at the price it is now if I was looking.True great rifles can be had for good prices used,but I didnt want a fancy wood gun that I was afraid to beat on in the bush.At the end of the day and in general hunting situations it will do anything a Model 70 would do as awesome as the 70 is.Just with less style.its just preference mine does what its supposed to more then enough at the range or in the field.
 
shooter12345 said:
Kinda suprised at all the hate on the American,I have one in 270.Shoots straight,just as good as a rifles costing twice or more.I cant believe we are complaining about the bolt making a "zipper" sound pfff wow.Never woulda guessed that would be a topic even gun owners would or could ##### about.That bolt by the way, is so damn smooth it cycles by just the weight of the rifle all on its own.Secondly I find it to shoot better then most of us who are complaining about how crappy the thing is.Also another thing hunters over look on rifles,being how obsessed they are about shooting sub moa groups for a hunting rifle,this thing does great off hand.I admit I dont like that the stock is off centered and for end of it is flimsy yes but I cant say I have noticed any variances at all when loaded with a by pod or even when applying pressure on the stock with a sling it always shoots straight.It does have some flaws yes but all I am saying is the one i got is really everything a hunting rifle should be.
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Get a bit of fine sandpaper and polish the bolt and it's path through the action like I did with my son's RAR...you'll be amazed at the result! Cycles as smoothly after as anything on earth!
 
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