$350ish to spend on a high velocity air rifle

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Torn on PAL rated airguns.
Had a nice 22 but am thinking of a high FPS .177

If you had $350ish to spend on a PAL rated 22 what would you get
If you had $350sih to spend on a PAL rated .177 what would you get?

also been many years since i purchased an Air Rifle. would $350 even get me somethign half decent?


thnaks'

edit here is one i have been looking at , on sale currently h ttp://www.cabelas.ca/product/29060/stoeger-x50-synthetic-air-rifle-w-3-9-x-40mm-scope?pl=airguns&cm=16-sgod2-stoegerx50
 
also what is diff between .177 and .177c are they different rifles?
and how much more quiet is Nitro Piston vs traditional break barrel rifles of the same speed
 
Walmart had a clearance sale on a Crosman phantom 22.. for 75$ and a 13$ factory spring boosted it up to 750 FPS. All for under 100$

Scopes and ammo has Crosman Quest 1000 177 for sale for 99$
 
CUZZARD said:
Would like +- 1100 FPS 22 or 1400FPS .177
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Do some reading, velocity above about 1000fps in a conventional air rifle will result in very poor accuracy.
You can slow down a too fast air gun by bumping up pellet weight.
Ideally you want a spring or gas cylinder air rifle to shoot in the low 900's to keep the pellet from being in the trans sonic/super sonic range where it will be unstable.
Good luck!
P.S.
Stoeger air rifles published velocity numbers are,......... hmmm, very optimistic.
 
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If you have $350ish to spend, consider the Diana (RWS) Model 34. https://specialtyshootingsportsoutd...reak-barrel-air-rifle.html#fndtn-product_info It's German-made, unlike Stoeger or Crosman and similar rifles. Diana rifles are good quality.And understand that pellet velocity over 900-950 fps is undesirable, the reason being that as a diabolo pellet approaches transonic velocity it becomes increasingly unstable. Manufacturers who post velocity figures around 1000 fps achieve them only with light alloy pellets, which are by their very nature inaccurate. They also post high MV figures to attract the uninformed air rifle shooter, who mistakenly believes faster is always better.
 
grauhanen said:
If you have $350ish to spend, consider the Diana (RWS) Model 34. https://specialtyshootingsportsoutd...reak-barrel-air-rifle.html#fndtn-product_info It's German-made, unlike Stoeger or Crosman and similar rifles. Diana rifles are good quality.And understand that pellet velocity over 900-950 fps is undesirable, the reason being that as a diabolo pellet approaches transonic velocity it becomes increasingly unstable. Manufacturers who post velocity figures around 1000 fps achieve them only with light alloy pellets, which are by their very nature inaccurate. They also post high MV figures to attract the uninformed air rifle shooter, who mistakenly believes faster is always better.
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would 900FPS in 22 be OK?
 
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flyr said:
Do some reading, velocity above about 1000fps in a conventional air rifle will result in very poor accuracy.
You can slow down a too fast air gun by bumping up pellet weight.
Ideally you want a spring or gas cylinder air rifle to shoot in the low 900's to keep the pellet from being in the trans sonic/super sonic range where it will be unstable.
Good luck!
P.S.
Stoeger air rifles published velocity numbers are,......... hmmm, very optimistic.
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does this apply to both .177 and 22?

thanks
 
CUZZARD said:
does this apply to both .177 and 22?

thanks
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Yes,
Pellets be they .177 or .22 are very unstable around the speed of sound (1100fps or so)
Pellets in the trans sonic range are also unstable (1000fps+)
Even if you start a pellet at 1500fps it will slow down and become unstable within a few yards(due to its shape)
The best velocity(accuracy and power wise) is around the 900-950 range but well made air rifles that can produce these velocity's in .22 and be accurate are not cheap.
If you intend on hunting small game with the rifle,one in .22 at 750-800 fps will suit the bill.
The Diana 34 was a good suggestion,another option would be a multi pump Pneumatic like a Sheridan or Benjamin.
 
flyr said:
Yes,
Pellets be they .177 or .22 are very unstable around the speed of sound (1100fps or so)
Pellets in the trans sonic range are also unstable (1000fps+)
Even if you start a pellet at 1500fps it will slow down and become unstable within a few yards(due to its shape)
The best velocity(accuracy and power wise) is around the 900-950 range but well made air rifles that can produce these velocity's in .22 and be accurate are not cheap.
If you intend on hunting small game with the rifle,one in .22 at 750-800 fps will suit the bill.
The Diana 34 was a good suggestion,another option would be a multi pump Pneumatic like a Sheridan or Benjamin.
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this is excellent information.thanks very much. i look forward to plinking again.
cheers
 
Cuzzard…like yourself I'm considering buying an AG. I'm finding that the claimed fps by the "cheaper" brands are highly optimistic and lack consistency in performance. Flyr explains the technical stuff so even I can understand whats going on.
For a little more than your budget ($358) I would consider a Weihrauch 50s. Good reviews on this AG…...
 
A Walmart special Crosman Phantom for $89 and $0.05 for a steel set screw and wear and tear on my 10-32 tap to plug the bleeder hole in the piston, and $1 for some 5/8" washers to shim the spring to one washer under coil bind got me in the 750 range. It's more than enough for crows.
 
mwjones said:
A Walmart special Crosman Phantom for $89 and $0.05 for a steel set screw and wear and tear on my 10-32 tap to plug the bleeder hole in the piston, and $1 for some 5/8" washers to shim the spring to one washer under coil bind got me in the 750 range. It's more than enough for crows.
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New models don't have the relief valve in the piston. I bought one 2 weeks ago..They have the same pistons as the higher model, all you need is the full power spring. Its cost 13$.
 
mwjones said:
A Walmart special Crosman Phantom for $89 and $0.05 for a steel set screw and wear and tear on my 10-32 tap to plug the bleeder hole in the piston, and $1 for some 5/8" washers to shim the spring to one washer under coil bind got me in the 750 range. It's more than enough for crows.
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OkayShooter said:
New models don't have the relief valve in the piston. I bought one 2 weeks ago..They have the same pistons as the higher model, all you need is the full power spring. Its cost 13$.
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I can confirm that. No bleed hole in mine. great info on the Phantom upgrades to look at, I have had both versions. I also 'sleeved' the piston with some plastic from a 2L pop bottle and it took the twang out of if from the loose fit of the piston coiling up.
 
Hi.
I have owned both sub 500 and PAL pellet air rifles and the "C" stands for Canadian sub 500 non PAL. This holds true for both springers (Nitro piston included ) , and CO2/HPA . Ideally for most shooting and pest control anything that is in the 800FPS range will do . A good example is the RWS Hammerli 850 https://www.dlairgun.com/Air-Rifles/RWS/ . This rifle is a multi shot CO2 that can be converted to High Pressure Air .
I have also owned and still do High powered springers like the Crosman Nitro Piston https://www.dlairgun.com/Air-Rifles/Crosman/043_Nitro_Venom_Dusk.html . Due to the recoil on it . It is hard to be accurate beyond 25 yards . It demands a lot of control and practice .
If fun is what you want stay with the sub 500 fps springers or CO2/HPA guns as they are easier to shoot and less demanding .
 
johNTO said:
Cuzzard…like yourself I'm considering buying an AG. I'm finding that the claimed fps by the "cheaper" brands are highly optimistic and lack consistency in performance. Flyr explains the technical stuff so even I can understand whats going on.
For a little more than your budget ($358) I would consider a Weihrauch 50s. Good reviews on this AG…...
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If you can find a new Weihrauch HW50 in Canada today for $358 you should jump on it. This is an excellent rifle. If you bought a Chinese rifle like a Crosman and compared it to the Weihrauch you might well cry and certainly feel like you threw your money away. The only problem with the HW50 is that it is not available in Canada at this time.
 
grauhanen said:
If you can find a new Weihrauch HW50 in Canada today for $358 you should jump on it. This is an excellent rifle. If you bought a Chinese rifle like a Crosman and compared it to the Weihrauch you might well cry and certainly feel like you threw your money away. The only problem with the HW50 is that it is not available in Canada at this time.
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I just checked for a HW50s…last week they were selling for $358. Today $450!!! Our dollar is taking a kicking…..
 
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