superior accuracy. custom VS factory ?

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i'm in the market for a long range quality rifle in 300WM and i'm considering the all custom path as well as the '''out of the box '''' options like HS precision HTR, savage 10fcp mcmillan, sako trg's and such high quality factory rifles .

on the custom side of things , i've already draw the plan which would be in 300wm

-stiller tac 300 action
-26'' barstein OR benchmark barrel
- AI folding aics 2.0 OR AX chassis
-jewell trigger

would probably put a nightforce 20moa rail and rings ridden by a nightforce NXS 5.5X22X56

after some quick maths, i realized that rolling on the factory route wouldn't provides much savings compared to a custom build, while i still wonder which formula can bring me the most consistent accuracy for 500 yard and beyond bore cold or warm ; on the other side i'd like to get that superior accuracy ,and the tactical advantage of an heavy bull barrel'ed rifle with a folding stock and tactical look .

what do you guys think on that matter ?
 
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What will you do with the rifle?
300WM is a great hunting cartridge but power cost barrel life.
When you buy a factory rifle you test differents bullets to find which one work best. Twist and throat depth usualy narrow the search a bit. When you build a custom and did your homework first, you can do it the other way around.
You choose your barrel blank and reamer for the bullet you want to use. For the final accuracy, how good the parts are put together and your realoading skills will tell.
 
500 yards is a chip shot for a 300wm, I personally like custom guns, that way you get what you want. You don't have to settle for something just because that's what it comes with.
 
I would go custom also. But as was said earlier for only shooting to 500 yds there are better options. Is this rifle just for deer and paper out to 500 yds? Lots of smaller calibers whose barrels will last a lot longer with less recoil. My custom 300 WM is built on a Borden action,#3 BRUX. Holland brake,Jewel,Hinged floor plate,McMillan Game Scout topped with a NF SHV 5-20X56. Reamer was a PTG TAC and I added a extra 50 thou of free bore to it. This rifle is a dream to shoot and as accurate out to 900 yds as anything I have (far as I can shoot at my range). Finish weight is 10 lbs 2 oz. Load is H1000 and 215 Bergers right at 3000 fps.
 
dero338 said:
What will you do with the rifle?
300WM is a great hunting cartridge but power cost barrel life.
When you buy a factory rifle you test differents bullets to find which one work best. Twist and throat depth usualy narrow the search a bit. When you build a custom and did your homework first, you can do it the other way around.
You choose your barrel blank and reamer for the bullet you want to use. For the final accuracy, how good the parts are put together and your realoading skills will tell.
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well, 308 VS 300WM .....reason is, well, 308 is a boring round,it does everything so well ,super easy to extract the best of accuracy with varget and SMK's peas ;).

after some interogation on the caliber i'd like for such project , i picked the 300 because i can:d, admitedely i need a change ,i've shot every kind of 308 rifles along the recent years (as well as every existing calibers out there ) , i want more omphh factor , and no, there's no muzzle brake on this menu ; as i said , i've shot like 500-600 rifles every years for years , then i quite know the 300wm instills some sparks in my excitement about this project, quite more than the 308 . i know what the guys in the FTR class can do with 308 210grainers and a '''bit''' of varget which is well past 3000fps lolll.

i'm not overly concerned by the barrel lifespan . i already reload , and i can't predict how my ammo recipe will look like once settled on one that work good with the benchmark barrel ; thought about the RL series powder in combo with a 178grs hornady match round. i want the ballistic numbers to worth the investment lolll.:d
 
If you like the AI stocks like you mention and have the coin, just get the real deal and never look back. Wolverine just got two AW's in .300 win mag (if they're not sold already).

I went back and forth between custom and factory.I bought an high end factory (AI) in the end and I'm so glad I did.

With accuracy the magic is in the barrel. The LW tube that came on mine frequently puts 5 in the .300's with my amateur @ss driving it.
 
It depends how you feel about the shot groups at 500 yards. The factory rifle may shoot well at 500 yards if you are happy with 3 to 7 inch 5 shot group. It will kill the medium size. If you prefer to shoot under .75MOA or even under .5MOA then you will need a custom rifle.

I think you will love 6BR or 6 Dasher. These tiny bullet will shoot far accurate to 500 yards.
 
No Fear in Accuracy said:
It depends how you feel about the shot groups at 500 yards. The factory rifle may shoot well at 500 yards if you are happy with 3 to 7 inch 5 shot group. It will kill the medium size. If you prefer to shoot under .75MOA or even under .5MOA then you will need a custom rifle.

I think you will love 6BR or 6 Dasher. These tiny bullet will shoot far accurate to 500 yards.
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What makes you think factory rifles top out at 0.6 to 1.4 MOA? I've had one that shot reliably into the 0.4s and it wasn't a high-end rifle.

Many of the high-end factory rifles have barrels sourced from the same companies that supply them to individuals.
 
No Fear in Accuracy said:
It depends how you feel about the shot groups at 500 yards. The factory rifle may shoot well at 500 yards if you are happy with 3 to 7 inch 5 shot group. It will kill the medium size. If you prefer to shoot under .75MOA or even under .5MOA then you will need a custom rifle.
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Really!
I own three factory rifles in .308 (Sig 3000, PGW Coyote, HS-Precision HTR 2000) and they will all shoot better than .5 MOA.
Guess you're saying I got lucky.
One thing to consider is that a higher end production rifle will hold its resale value better than a custom rifle.
 
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njlondon said:
Really. I own three factory rifles (Sig 3000, PGW Coyote, HS-Precision HTR 2000) and they will all shoot better than .5 MOA.
Guess you're saying I got lucky.
One thing to consider is that a higher end production rifle will hold its resale value better than a custom rifle.
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This for sure. Your fancy custom rifle is worth, at best, 80% of it's parts value. All that money spent on the assembly is gone as soon as the rifle leaves the shop. However, an AI or TRG or what-have you can likely be sold for 90%-95% of it's new price, dependent on condition.
 
If you can afford to pony up $6-7k for a rifle, I don't think you will be disappointed with the likes of AI or PGW.

But judging by the rifles you mentioned in the first post, I don't think that is the direction you're heading! There are other options though, like building off of an existing action.

Here's how I see it, from cheapest to most expensive:

Factory rifle (Savage w/McMillan) $1700 and roll the dice on accuracy. More than likely capable of holding 1/2 minute.

Custom build on factory action: Rem/Savage long action with good barrel, trigger, and good stock $3000+. Will shoot 1/2 minute and probably better.

Factory Custom: Sako TRG, HS HTR $4000+ and capable of holding 1/2 minute and probably a little better.

Custom build: Name your action, choose a barrel, buy a nice trigger and pick your flavor of stock $5000+. Will shoot .2's and .3's if you have a good smith put it together.

Military application rifles: AI/PGW/Desert Tech $6500+ and will shoot sub 1/2 minute, could luck out with a rifle that consistently shoots .2's and .3's.

It's only money right?!
 
dusticles said:
You missed... lol

Just kidding, nice group
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Hahaha it was cold out, good o'l IMR 4895:p Goes boom in the winter and BOOM in the summer. I had to come up .2 mil (winter zero) to do dot drills this morning. Stuff shoots great but ya gotta stay on top of the temperature with the log book.

 
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No Fear in Accuracy said:
It depends how you feel about the shot groups at 500 yards. The factory rifle may shoot well at 500 yards if you are happy with 3 to 7 inch 5 shot group. It will kill the medium size. If you prefer to shoot under .75MOA or even under .5MOA then you will need a custom rifle.

I think you will love 6BR or 6 Dasher. These tiny bullet will shoot far accurate to 500 yards.
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This is Horse$hit.
 
Don't hold back, tell us what you really think. Laugh2
marcoman said:
This is Horse$hit.

No Fear in Accuracy said:
It depends how you feel about the shot groups at 500 yards. The factory rifle may shoot well at 500 yards if you are happy with 3 to 7 inch 5 shot group. It will kill the medium size. If you prefer to shoot under .75MOA or even under .5MOA then you will need a custom rifle.

I think you will love 6BR or 6 Dasher. These tiny bullet will shoot far accurate to 500 yards.
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