Anyone try 3031 for 30-06? Results? I ended up with a few free lbs. and I plan on loading 30-06. Powder will be under 110 gr Barnes Tsx as I'm trying to develop a 'small deer' load. All info I've found point to this powder doing well with lighter bullets so the 110 pills should do it...I hope.
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Do explain your theory! Wouldn't the 110 cause less hydrostatic shock than a 150? Especially a solid cooper pill...
Brutus
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
One of the few Garand handloads I can quote from memory:
-48.0 of IMR3031 under a 150 grain bullet, this is from the NRA handbook for the 30-06 caliber M1 rifle
Brutus
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Myself I can only offer that the most current Nosler handbook has load data for the 125 (Ballistic Tip/Acccubond) and mentions 51.0 of Viht-N140 as a top accuracy load. Sub-MOA at 100 meters from a bench for two fairly quick shots. From a thin barrel, semi-auto deer rifle.
I never had much luck with the 110s accuracy wise in my Voere. Data long forgotten too.
Wow, before I read this, I was thinking the same thing. 110? Ya, 150 grainers at least.
Knowing the twist rate of the barrel would also help.
I would go with a heavier bullet in a 30-06, like 180gr. 30-06 is twice the power needed for deer, so a heavier bullet would have less explosive effect.
A 110 would be like a bomb.
But 3031 would be a good powder.
A 110 would be like a bomb.
But 3031 would be a good powder.
Actually, the 110 grain TSX is unlikely to act like a "bomb", even at max 30-06 Velocities. These solid copper pills do not act
like conventional C&C bullets at all.
To illustrate: I acquired a bunch of 30 cal, 130 grain TTSX bullets in a trading deal. On a whim, I loaded a few in one of my
308 Norma Magnums to see how they would shoot. A good load of IMR 4350 launched them at a bit over 3500, and they shot
very well, indeed. Last fall, I pounded a Blackie with one of these, and the results were quite dramatic. Dead within 20 yards,
but no explosive effects at all. Bullet exited, lungs were mush, but no evidence of disintegration of that bullet, even though I
broke the shoulder on the entry side.
I suspect the 110 TSX would behave similarly in a 30-06. Dave.
like conventional C&C bullets at all.
To illustrate: I acquired a bunch of 30 cal, 130 grain TTSX bullets in a trading deal. On a whim, I loaded a few in one of my
308 Norma Magnums to see how they would shoot. A good load of IMR 4350 launched them at a bit over 3500, and they shot
very well, indeed. Last fall, I pounded a Blackie with one of these, and the results were quite dramatic. Dead within 20 yards,
but no explosive effects at all. Bullet exited, lungs were mush, but no evidence of disintegration of that bullet, even though I
broke the shoulder on the entry side.
I suspect the 110 TSX would behave similarly in a 30-06. Dave.
Just be flying reallllly fast.
I didn't figure out that he was talking about a solid copper bullet.
The standard rate of twist for a 30-06 was 10 inches, but in recent years some 30-06 rifles have been made with twists as slow as one turn in 12 inches.
The 1 in 10 were designed to stabilize the slower moving, long 220 grain bullets, but even the lightest bullets were still accurate.
Since the revolution of a bullet loses very little speed as the bullet slows down, the terrific revolving speed of a light bullet adds considerably to the damage it does in game, as it opens up.
The standard rate of twist for a 30-06 was 10 inches, but in recent years some 30-06 rifles have been made with twists as slow as one turn in 12 inches.
The 1 in 10 were designed to stabilize the slower moving, long 220 grain bullets, but even the lightest bullets were still accurate.
Since the revolution of a bullet loses very little speed as the bullet slows down, the terrific revolving speed of a light bullet adds considerably to the damage it does in game, as it opens up.
^Whoa. I load for .303British which calls for 36 grains of IMR 3031 for bullets from 150-180 grains (as a matter of fact, I rolled 200 rds just yesterday which was the better part of a pound of powder)
I knew the 30-06 was a heavier hitting caliber, but that is a lot of powder!
It'll do you just fine.
3031 will shine in the desired application too.
Since that Barnes will retain nearly all of its 110 grains, and that's 73% of 150, I'd say there's no way a 150 cup/core or even a Partition will do any better.
3031 will shine in the desired application too.
Since that Barnes will retain nearly all of its 110 grains, and that's 73% of 150, I'd say there's no way a 150 cup/core or even a Partition will do any better.
i just happened to bang away with my first 30 31loads in 30 06 today 44 gr with a 150 bullet and magnum primer they work great. i dont know the speed but they print pretty close to my other loads at 100 metres. the book says up to 47 grains but 44 worked fine.
Thanks for all your guys input! I'm am also under the impression the solid copper Tsx will hold together very well even when pushed well beyond 3000 ft per second. Now if I were to use a 110 gr. Sierra Hp varmint bullet I can see that going terribly sideways in the ways of meat damage. I'm wondering if 3031 has a good burn rate for lighter bullets...seems to be a medium burn rate n the 'chart'
Brutus
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Accuracy wise I found 3031 rather in the wanting department with 125 grain bullets in my Voere rifle. (consistantly split groups 100 meters)
Went to the previously mentioned Viht N-140 and things were totally different. (two shots often less then half inch, and the third shot most often still around a one inch group)
Brutus
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
^Took me about ten seconds of google-foo.
I take care of my Garand. This information has been around for literally decades. I am sure the NRA published this info in the best interests of a nation of service rifle enthusiasts.
h ttp://masterpostemple.bravepages.com/M1load.htm
Brutus
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
^This information regarding my load of IMR3031 for the Garand was again republished (with others too) in a certain 1985 Handloader magazine.
Edit: Corporate lawyers come and go with various entities, Du Pont, Hodgon, etc.
But the old stand by recommended stick powder recipes and the 30-06 M1 rifle will out live all of them IMHO.
Cheers
Edit: Corporate lawyers come and go with various entities, Du Pont, Hodgon, etc.
But the old stand by recommended stick powder recipes and the 30-06 M1 rifle will out live all of them IMHO.
Cheers
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