BERETTA 92s pistols

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If it doesn't meet your criteria (or another's), don't buy. You can buy a new Girsan for a little more. No need to belabor on the same subject over and over.

FF merely referenced the criteria, why get weird about it? Marstar is a dealer, therefore if they state an item is "excellent"; well, that has connotations...a meaning. A meaning that is not just anyone's criteria, rather an agreed to criteria. (NRA Guidelines)
 
Why is it that John one seems to be the only dealer gripping about shipping costs? everyone else in competition seems to be able to match or better Marstars pricing and have no issues on the shipping?

Maybe John should reach out to someone who's a competitor to fill that "interesting consulting contract"?

Shipping has always been a sore point for me with Marstar. Other than that A++
 
what do the mags look like?

Like any other Beretta mag, except there is a hole at the bottom of the mag instead of mid way up.

"North American" style mag release... (won't work in these, see slot)

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"European" style mag release... (designed for these, hole at bottom)

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"NA/Euro" compatible mags... (Has both cutouts)

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thats cool, i wondered what that hole was in the bottom of mine, i have a 90/two 9mm and my factory mags have both cutouts.
 
FF merely referenced the criteria, why get weird about it? Marstar is a dealer, therefore if they state an item is "excellent"; well, that has connotations...a meaning. A meaning that is not just anyone's criteria, rather an agreed to criteria. (NRA Guidelines)

Surplus firearm... you are pretty well stuck with what you get. I'm sure these weren't gone through and graded to any spec. Whether that one pictured is the uniform condition, I haven't seen them. Maybe if John took a bunch of them and took actual pics, it would be more clear. I'm sure that would be time consuming. I asked another dealer to 'pick the nicest one' for me (on a surplus rifle) and they pretty well told me to take a hike.

Somebody play surplus roulette and buy one. Don't see much action (or consumer pictures of their purchases) in the other thread on these either, unsure if they are selling that well.
 
Surplus firearm..." you are pretty well stuck with what you get. I'm sure these weren't gone through and graded to any spec. Whether that one pictured is the uniform condition, I haven't seen them. Maybe if John took a bunch of them and took actual pics, it would be more clear. I'm sure that would be time consuming. I asked another dealer to 'pick the nicest one' for me (on a surplus rifle) and they pretty well told me to take a hike.

Somebody play surplus roulette and buy one. Don't see much action (or consumer pictures of their purchases) in the other thread on these either, unsure if they are selling that well.

"Somebody play surplus roulette and buy one."
If you purchase from a reputable dealer where is the risk ?

"you are pretty well stuck with what you get."
I repeat If you purchase from a reputable dealer where is the risk ?

"I'm sure these weren't gone through and graded to any spec."
How are you certain ? You were in our warehouse and saw them sorted both here and at source ?

" Maybe if John took a bunch of them and took actual pics, it would be more clear"
We would be pleased to take as many pictures as you want, of course there will be a charge. Why is this important ?
Hve you bothered to consult our warranty policy ?
John
 
John,

Your Marstar Ironclad Guarantee specifically states,

1) Military surplus and used firearms and products are described and illustrated as accurately as is humanly possible.
Most are 50+ years old and may have minor blemishes and will likely vary in appearance from those portrayed on our website.
Such variables will NOT constitute a valid reason for warranty consideration. If a refund is issued, it will not include any shipping costs.


Does the picture represent your stock of "very good", "excellent" or neither (e.g. for example, this is one of the worst of the bunch)? In other words, why should I go for the more expensive item?

You may have a wonderful warranty. That being said, I don't want the hassle of buying an item, paying for shipping to me, going through a transfer, having the item shipped to me, being unsatisfied with it, arranging for/paying for return shipping, calling the CFP for a short term ATT and transferring the firearm back to you.

Isn't more reasonable that you post a picture which is representative of the Very Good stocks and another picture which is representative of the Excellent?

Nobody has asked for photos of each particular item. We just want to know what we are buying.

FF
 
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John,

Your Marstar Ironclad Guarantee specifically states, just won't be reasonable will you....

1) Military surplus and used firearms and products are described and illustrated as accurately as is humanly possible.
Most are 50+ years old and may have minor blemishes and will likely vary in appearance from those portrayed on our website.
Such variables will NOT constitute a valid reason for warranty consideration. If a refund is issued, it will not include any shipping costs. Why are we doing this ? Have you been refused a return ? If so when and on what ? I would put our warranty up against any in the trade...

"calling the CFP for a short term ATT and transferring the firearm back to you."
First of all we never ask our customers to re-transfer to us, we do it for them. Second of all I'm surprised that for someone as well informed as yourself you have not heard of Bill C-42 ??

"Isn't more reasonable that you post a picture which is representative"
I thought we did that ?

"We just want to know what we are buying. "
You keep using the term "we" yet you are by far the most critical and prolific critique on the board.... ALL without practical and personal experience

John

 
"Somebody play surplus roulette and buy one."
If you purchase from a reputable dealer where is the risk ?

"you are pretty well stuck with what you get."
I repeat If you purchase from a reputable dealer where is the risk ?

"I'm sure these weren't gone through and graded to any spec."
How are you certain ? You were in our warehouse and saw them sorted both here and at source ?

" Maybe if John took a bunch of them and took actual pics, it would be more clear"
We would be pleased to take as many pictures as you want, of course there will be a charge. Why is this important ?
Hve you bothered to consult our warranty policy ?
John

I was on your side until you posted this ^

Maybe have someone take a few minutes and take some up close pics of some of the lot, then post in this thread. Pretty well every question will be answered if you do so (magazine question is already answered), instead of carrying on combative discussions with your potential customers.

If I was in your warehouse I'd take photos, upload to my PB app and have them posted in about 5 minutes, would even have time to edit out the serial #'s. But that's just me... Weimajack doesn't seem to have a problem posting pics, while you ask for more cash to do so. I'd definitely buy his hand picked 92S for sure if I was in the market for one (most likely handpicked from Trade-Ex's lot, unsure if yours are from that lot or not), but again - I already have a 92FS with a ton of mags. If yours look like this (that's the Million Dollar Question), you'll sell them as that is a nice f@cking pistol which is pictured (my opinion) as I've seen low round count used ones on the EE not look that good. I'll let the grading experts say what the NRA standard is on that surplus 92S. I do understand the other members apprehension now that I read your responses.
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Now I'll wait for John to say "The all look like that, buy them".

Mag situation is still a huge sticking point. Think this will hurt the sale of these at this price point. Too close to a Girsan 92FS copy or used 92FS in the EE.
 
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"Somebody play surplus roulette and buy one."
If you purchase from a reputable dealer where is the risk ?

"you are pretty well stuck with what you get."
I repeat If you purchase from a reputable dealer where is the risk ?

"I'm sure these weren't gone through and graded to any spec."
How are you certain ? You were in our warehouse and saw them sorted both here and at source ?

" Maybe if John took a bunch of them and took actual pics, it would be more clear"
We would be pleased to take as many pictures as you want, of course there will be a charge. Why is this important ?
Hve you bothered to consult our warranty policy ?
John

Excellent answer, where is the Thank you button?
 
I would respectfully suggest you read it again
The entir purpose of the Bill was to eliminate all ATTs....
John

No... it wasn't. I've read it in depth.

Bill C-42 made Authorizations to Transport a condition of a licence for certain routine and lawful activities. ATTs are not an automatic for all transportation of a restricted firearm.

Those activities are limited to...

1 - taking a restricted firearm target shooting;

2 - taking a firearm home after a transfer;

3 - going to a gunsmith;

4 - going to a gun show,

5 - going to a a Canadian port of exit or,

6 - taking the gun to a peace officer or a CFO for verification, registration or disposal.

These above conditions are limited to the province of residence. If you want to travel to another province, you need an ATT from that province still to cover you once you cross the border.

Note, that doesn't include taking a gun to the post office upon selling it, or upon the need to return it to a reputable dealer for a warranty return. You can take your firearm home after a transfer from the post office, but not back.

So if someone had to return their restricted to you, they would indeed need to get an ATT to take it to the post office to return it to you, which is what was pointed out previously.


"calling the CFP for a short term ATT and transferring the firearm back to you."
First of all we never ask our customers to re-transfer to us, we do it for them. Second of all I'm surprised that for someone as well informed as yourself you have not heard of Bill C-42 ??

John


Here is the actual wording of C42... direct copy and paste...

2.1) Subject to subsection (2.3), an individ#ual who holds a licence authorizing the individual to possess prohibited firearms or restricted firearms must, if the licence is renewed, be authorized to transport them within the individual’s province of residence

(a) to and from all shooting clubs and shooting ranges that are approved under section 29;

(b) to and from any place a peace officer, firearms officer or chief firearms officer is located, for verification, registration or disposal in accordance with this Act or Part III of the Criminal Code;

(c) to and from a business that holds a licence authorizing it to repair or appraise prohibited firearms or restricted firearms;

(d) to and from a gun show; and

(e) to a port of exit in order to take them outside Canada, and from a port of entry.

(2.2) Subject to subsection (2.3), if a chief firearms officer has authorized the transfer of a prohibited firearm or a restricted firearm to an individual who holds a licence authorizing the individual to possess prohibited firearms or restricted firearms, the individual must be authorized

(a) to transport the firearm within the individual’s province of residence from the place where the individual acquires it to the place where they may possess it under section 17; and

(b) to transport their prohibited firearms and restricted firearms within the individual’s province of residence to and from the places referred to in any of paragraphs (2.1)(a) to (e).

From where they acquire it... ie the post office. Not to and from where they acquired it.

As for section C that says "to and from a business that holds a licence authorizing it to repair or appraise prohibited firearms or restricted firearms;", taking it to the post office isn't taking it "to and from" Marstar, especially if the person doesn't live in Ontario where Marstar is located. It is taking it to the post office.
 
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If the firearm is registered to you.. You can take it to and from the post office without a separate ATT

No... it wasn't. I've read it in depth.

Bill C-42 made Authorizations to Transport a condition of a licence for certain routine and lawful activities. ATTs are not an automatic for all transportation of a restricted firearm.

Those activities are limited to...

1 - taking a restricted firearm target shooting;

2 - taking a firearm home after a transfer;

3 - going to a gunsmith;

4 - going to a gun show,

5 - going to a a Canadian port of exit or,

6 - taking the gun to a peace officer or a CFO for verification, registration or disposal.

These above conditions are limited to the province of residence. If you want to travel to another province, you need an ATT from that province still to cover you once you cross the border.

Note, that doesn't include taking a gun to the post office upon selling it, or upon the need to return it to a reputable dealer for a warranty return. You can take your firearm home after a transfer from the post office, but not back.

So if someone had to return their restricted to you, they would indeed need to get an ATT to take it to the post office to return it to you, which is what was pointed out previously.



Here is the actual wording of C42... direct copy and paste...



From where they acquire it... ie the post office. Not to and from where they acquired it.

As for section C that says "to and from a business that holds a licence authorizing it to repair or appraise prohibited firearms or restricted firearms;", taking it to the post office isn't taking it "to and from" Marstar, especially if the person doesn't live in Ontario where Marstar is located. It is taking it to the post office.
 
If the firearm is registered to you.. You can take it to and from the post office without a separate ATT

You can pick it up from where you acquire it (ie the post office). You can not take it back to the post office. Read the actual legal info taken directly from the law as posted above.

You can take it from... not to and from, the post office when you acquire it.

This is what your "automatic" ATT rolled into your PAL covers. If it isn't here, like taking a gun TO the post office, then you need another ATT.

2.1) Subject to subsection (2.3), an individ#ual who holds a licence authorizing the individual to possess prohibited firearms or restricted firearms must, if the licence is renewed, be authorized to transport them within the individual’s province of residence

(a) to and from all shooting clubs and shooting ranges that are approved under section 29;

(b) to and from any place a peace officer, firearms officer or chief firearms officer is located, for verification, registration or disposal in accordance with this Act or Part III of the Criminal Code;

(c) to and from a business that holds a licence authorizing it to repair or appraise prohibited firearms or restricted firearms;

(d) to and from a gun show; and

(e) to a port of exit in order to take them outside Canada, and from a port of entry.

(2.2) Subject to subsection (2.3), if a chief firearms officer has authorized the transfer of a prohibited firearm or a restricted firearm to an individual who holds a licence authorizing the individual to possess prohibited firearms or restricted firearms, the individual must be authorized

(a) to transport the firearm within the individual’s province of residence from the place where the individual acquires it to the place where they may possess it under section 17; and

(b) to transport their prohibited firearms and restricted firearms within the individual’s province of residence to and from the places referred to in any of paragraphs (2.1)(a) to (e).
 
This could be the best thread I have ever participated in.

From the RCMP - you know, the people who actually do the authorizing of transport. These are the actual conditions attached to your license.

These licence conditions authorize the transport of restricted and/or prohibited firearms registered to the licence holder within their province of residence by a route that, in all circumstances, is reasonably direct for the specific indicated purposes.

Transportation of restricted firearms and/or prohibited handguns (12(6.1) of the Firearms Act) possessed for the purpose of target practice to and from all shooting clubs and ranges approved under section 29 of the Firearms Act.

Transportation of restricted firearms and/or prohibited firearms to and from any place a peace officer, firearms officer of Chief Firearms Officer (CFO) is located for verification, registration or disposal in accordance with the Firearms Act or Part III of the Criminal Code.

Transportation of restricted firearms and/or prohibited firearms to and from a business that holds a licence authorizing it to repair or appraise prohibited or restricted firearms.

Transportation of restricted firearms and/or prohibited firearms to and from a gun show.

Transportation of restricted firearms and/or prohibited firearms to a port of exit, in order to take them outside Canada and from a port of entry.

Transportation of newly acquired restricted firearms and/or prohibited firearms from the place of acquisition to the licence holder's dwelling house or other place authorized by the CFO.


Is the Post Office an approved range? No.
Are you transporting to a peace officer? No.
Are you transporting to a business that holds a license? No.
Are you taking it to a gun show? No.
Are you taking it to the border? No.
Are you bringing it place of acquisition to your home? No.

FF
 
Yes but if you are returning a restricted firearm that you are not satisfied with to a business that holds a license don't they usually take care of the ownership transfer?
 
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