RCMP "E" Division Broadcast reguarding Ruger 10/22 rifle magazines.

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canmic said:
Surprisingly I think the number is somewhere around 435?

There is a REASON why the memo back in 2013 only prohibited the BX magazine and, while I do think the whole mag limit thing is a bit silly for 22 lr, they were legally correct that the BX 25 is prohibited the way the law is written because it WAS designed for the rifle and charger and it says right on its packaging that it is for the rifle and the charger, so the argument is totally valid for the BX 25.

The other mags though, the BC ones were designed and made before the charger existed and the GSG drums don't even fit the charger properly and both of them say on them that they are designed for the RIFLE. That's why they didn't say they were prohib back in 2013.

I think this is the RCMPs way of bringing it into the public eye and unfortunately, I think that they are actually smart enough that they know this is going to end up as a court case and that they WANT to lose that court case.

Once they lose the court case, they will go whining to the Lieberals that the law isn't working "right" and that it needs to be altered, and then the Lieberals will likely make a total mess of the magazine capacity laws, probably removing the 22 lr exception for rifle mags and limiting them to 5 and also probably opening up a HUGE can of worms by saying that if it fits a rifle or pistol and works, then it is considered a magazine for a rifle or pistol and then all the handgun mags will wind up limited to 5 shots (Glock, Colt 45, etc.) because there are rifles that fit them.

The sad fact is, with the Lieberals in charge, they will use this to make changes to the laws to suit their agenda of disarming everyone completely and the BEST we can hope for is that the millenials will continue to wake up to the fact that the Lieberals are basically enslaving them to pay off the baby boomers for votes by racking up HUGE debt. The polls are showing a HUGE drop in support for the Lieberals in voters under 25 and those voters are the ones who really helped them get elected in the first place. Those voters will go back to voting NDP and split the left vote. If the right can get their crap together, they can win the next election. If the CPC is smart about it, they will go with Raitt and run their next election with the slogan "Because it's 2019!!" and steal the woman's vote away from Hairdoo-PM

I think we need to take a good look at the memo and what it says and figure out a strategy to deal with it without pushing their hand to change the law, if they open up the law and make changes, you can bet that we will all lose out big time.

I don't think the memo is a fake but I will check with a shooting buddy of mine who is RCMP and who has always been very helpful and we do each other favours. I'm going on Vacation today though so it might be a while before I see him to talk about it.
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The end result of all this as I see it, is unless we can entrench ownership of firearms into our constitution, this seesaw effect will keep happening every time there is a government change.
 
armouredtrooper said:
The end result of all this as I see it, is unless we can entrench ownership of firearms into our constitution, this seesaw effect will keep happening every time there is a government change.
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Armouredtrooper, I completely agree, we need to make somewhat our own 2Nd amendment, to all that reside an arm to protect the land that they call thier home, or something like that, we should start a petition, or tey to re awaken one that tried before
 
jmichelin84 said:
Armouredtrooper, I completely agree, we need to make somewhat our own 2Nd amendment, to all that reside an arm to protect the land that they call thier home, or something like that, we should start a petition, or tey to re awaken one that tried before
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That would be great.

I hear that even Mexico has something in their constitution, the right for citizens to own guns for self defence at home.

How do we start a petition here?
 
windage said:
Your right about the Charger pistol. It is not a pistol, it is a Ruger 10/22. The ONLY reason why it should be restricted is because of it's overall length at 19.25". We can make a Charger pistol by removing the full size stock on an existing Ruger 10/22, put a pistol grip on it instead and replace the barrel with a shorter Ruger 10/22 factory barrel then call the CFO and register it under the restricted class.
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And this taken from Ruger's web site put's it into clear perspective,

Includes a BX-15® magazine, with 15-round capacity, perfect length when shooting with the included bipod prone or from the bench. 10-Round models also available.
 
Mr Wolverine said:
As for our shooting organisations? Words fail me! It makes me weep sometimes at the lack of education and unity amongst us all.
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I do agree... this type of none sense should trigger all our Canadian gun orgs into a frenzy especially that it's not even backed by a formal law or OIC... We all need to Push back and not let ourselves be intimidated by crap on nice letterhead that our taxe money paid for.... I can't wait to see which of the orgs will bite back first and follow through on this important item for all our community...
 
I think that not all the RCMP are to blame. The officers in the field probably don't share the same opinions as the CFP techs. They have a job and a Boss like most other people. I don't think it's right to lump them all together. Just my opinion though.
 
Brianma65 said:
I think that not all the RCMP are to blame. The officers in the field probably don't share the same opinions as the CFP techs. They have a job and a Boss like most other people. I don't think it's right to lump them all together. Just my opinion though.
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I agree that there are LEO's of all strips be it yellow, red or whatever that agree that the common man should be allowed to have firearms. However they are getting fewer and fewer as the years go by. But make NO mistake there are many who want all firearms prohibited.
 
You have my thanks also John . unreal as far as I know the only 22 mag you are'nt susposed to own is the BX 25 made for the Charger. as others have said these guys are making up laws on their own .and that's not right.
 
Wolverine Supplies already has my business (the HiLux 2-7x32mm LER BDC rocks, thanks!), and will now certainly continue to have it. Next move, buy a 10/22 and a whole bunch of 25rnd mags.

I agree with everyone, the RCMP surely must have more important fish to fry than 25rnd mags used by law abiding citizens...

Can anyone quote an article with gangbangers duking it out in the streets using BX-25 mags? The Fiberals love to talk about evidence-based decision making.

Is it the Fiberals and the government making the decisions, or is this some RCMP middle management puke's wet dream? Wish I had some friends wearing red who could tell me where this is coming from, I could ask who's brainchild this is, but I only know folks who wear green...

I for one will be sending a letter to my MP demanding to know whether it is the elected government and Parliament that make firearms laws, or the RCMP!

In my experience, when dealing with chains of command, you need to deal the person who has the MOST to lose or gain from dealing (or not...) with the situation, which improves the odds of it getting dealt with.

People in positions of power unchallenged get comfortable, but if someone in power feels threatened, watch them start to act!

I hope everyone else who replied to this thread does the same!
 
Noob_ said:
good on you john. Why not send it direct to the PMO's office? This would not have happened with the conservatives.
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The Conservatives are the ones who brought in the entire magazine capacity restriction IN THE FIRST PLACE. It DID happen with the Conservatives......on multiple occasions.
 
48206 said:
As an rcmp officer in sask i can say nothing has been sent to us in "F" div about this. If this was a new "law" we would have gotten a canada wide broadcast which is fairly common to get regarding any new messages or policies etc etc.
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Why can't all our law enforcement personnel be like you? :(
 
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RE: 'John' at Wolverine

I've been reading the posted replies to your very accurate and direct positions/statements. You have echoed my sentiments exactly and deserves repeating to each other until we all wake up. Wake up now not after all the 'planned liberal damage' has been carried-out. With the social arena becoming more and more anti-gun because of incidences in the USA and elsewhere all legal gun owners must now stick together and speak out as one. All firearm dealers should be reminding all their customers to contact their respective MP's etc.
Let's go peoples.....
Thanks! again 'John'. I will support your business 100%. Take care. Oh! and keep an eye out on the 'back door' as well.
 
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It isn't so much that we run scared. Some of us have a lot to lose, not a lot of finances to fight and we are usually on the losing end. Thank you for what you do and have done, but understand that a lot of us have a lot to lose and can't always fight back like we would want to because we just don't have the money to gamble.
Mr Wolverine said:
I might consider it, but I have very little faith in petitions. What disturbs me is the fact that our firearms community as a whole runs scared of authority, gun owners and dealers fail to understand our system or how the law works. If the CFO says jump everyone replies "How high?" instead of replying "Why?"

When it was rumoured that the CZ 858 was going to be made prohibited I had customers chop them up and then demand I compensate them?

Look at this current nonsense, all this panic because of a document from the RCMP which I suspect has no legal standing? If we allow ourselves to be bullied like this why bother with a petition, take the facts and go meet your MP, now if we all did that?

Currently I hear of dealers taking these mags off their shelves! Why? Did they ask to see any new regulation or OIC in writing? Why is the importer not bringing in more mags?

As for our shooting organisations? Words fail me! It makes me weep sometimes at the lack of education and unity amongst us all.
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