Questions about simple testing of where your shotgun is shooting.

Rman said:
Again, probably about the same number of registered targets you've shot?

R.
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I am not the one claiming that a blind person could shoot a perfect score in trap. And since I preferred skeet more than trap, I shot NSSA registered targets instead of trap, and I competed at the provincial level in skeet back in the 90s.
 
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stubblejumper said:
I am not the one claiming that a blind person could shoot a perfect score in trap. And since I preferred skeet more than trap, I shot NSSA registered targets instead of trap, and I competed at the provincial level in skeet back in the 90s.
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No, but your claims are about as ridiculous. As for the rest... well of course you did, back in the 90's. What's next? A story from band camp?

R.
 
Mumbles Marble Mouth said:
No need to take trap seriously. Even a blind person could shoot a perfect score in trap.
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Rman said:
No, but your claims are about as ridiculous. As for the rest... well of course you did, back in the 90's. What's next? A story from band camp?

R.
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Rest assured Stubbs neither of these two has probably ever gotten on the scoreboard in any clay target game and MMM once again has offered up yet another unique coaching style. As for Mr Band Camp? Well I know its been more than just this one time for me!

Hey Mumbles how about posting a pic of your ATA average card, I have never seen one in Braille, that would be really cool!!
 
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the spank said:
Reading that bit of coaching tells me you have never achieved AA class in trap. Hold points vary with station, weather conditions, backgrounds, whether you are a one eyed or two eyed shooter and a host of other variables. Choke choice as well is not dictated by the yardage line. Some shooters shoot targets from the 16 within 10-16 yards of the house. Others cannot get to them before they are 25 yards + from the house. Leads and angles vary considerably too from station to station, target angles thrown and distance the shooter is from the trap. There is no magic hold here at this height and use this choke and shot size. What there is is practice, practice, practice until it's ingrained in your brains' memory the sight picture it wants to see to send the message to your finger to pull the trigger.
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+1. Although there is generally good on-line entertainment value from people who are so convinced of their own awesomeness they attempt to diagnose and offer solutions to someone's shooting problems while never having seen him/her shoot.
 
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the spank said:
Rest assured Stubbs neither of these two has probably ever gotten on the scoreboard in any clay target game and MMM once again has offered up yet another unique coaching style. As for Mr Band Camp? Well I know its been more than just this one time for me!

Hey Mumbles how about posting a pic of your ATA average card, I have never seen one in Braille, that would be really cool!!
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As most of what you have posted has been incorrect, I see that you would continue on that trend. I assure you that my last target was broken a hell of a lot more recently than the 90's...try to keep with your imagination. And as above, if only obviously, I'm certainly not so convinced of my own awesomeness. How about you, and especially "Stubbs"?

And at band camp? Of course you did... right?


R.
 
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Rman said:
As most of what you have posted has been incorrect, I see that you would continue on that trend. I assure you that my last target was broken a hell of a lot more recently than the 90's...try to keep with your imagination. And as above, if only obviously, I'm certainly not so convinced of my own awesomeness. How about you, and especially "Stubbs"?

And at band camp? Of course you did... right?


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I am not convinced of my own awesomeness by any means but unlike some posters offering up advice I do know what it takes to shoot the game and it isn't just a modified choke at 16 yards with 7.5 shot. As Claybuster mentioned without having been there to watch the OP shoot how could you know what the issue may be? I will include my original post to the OP's question. As you can see for yourself I never offered how to shoot the game but simply offered the usual advice. Check gun fit first and go from there, I have never seen him shoot either so who knows what he may be strugglng with?

"Ok first you need to know if the gun actually fits you? Yes there is such a thing as gun fit. If the gun fits it will hit where you are looking. As for seeing where the gun is currently hitting you need to get yourself a few large sheets of paper or cardboard about 40"x40" square. Draw a dot in the centre of the paper. Set it up at 40 yards. Aim at that dot and fire. Then check to see where the pattern is printing in relation to your aiming point. Draw a circle 30" in diameter around the main cluster of pellets then check to see where in relation to the dot the centre of the pellet cluster is. Is the heaviest concentration of pellets above the dot? Centred on the dot? Below the dot? Left of it? Right of it? Perform 3-5 test shots 1 each at a new target each time and see if you are putting the pattern in the same spot consistently. Aim at the dot the same way each time. Do not compensate by aiming where you think you need to in order to hit the dot dead on. Establish where the gun is shooting in relation to where you are looking. This is probably the only time you will ever hear the term "aim" a shotgun with the exception of shooting slugs. When a shotgun fits properly you should be able to focus on your target, throw the gun to your shoulder and fire the instant the gun is shouldered and your face is planted on the stock. It should hit exactly where you are looking. Once you have established where it is hitting in relation to your aim you can then address any fit issue if one exists or if it fits and is shooting where you are looking simply get out and practice."

As for your inability to get beyond shooting in the 1990's when I read Stubbs talking about competing in the 90's and knowing personally from mutual acquaintances he still shoots today and quite well from what I am told that tells me he has alot of experience, probably much more than you.
By the way did they have a trap field at your band camp? Mine didn't....:(
 
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Sure you're not!

I have never attended band camp, but by your own admission, you have? Too funny. Was "Stubbs" there as well? That would explain the "more than just one time".
You would be wrong, again, about the experience. Actually doing something, as opposed to pretending to it, and then offering advice based on the pretend, isn't really experience, now is it?
How can you personally know someone through mutual acquaintances? You've never met the guy in person (other than band camp?), yet you'll attest to his so called shooting prowess, and "experience" based on what you've been told? I think that right there, is a huge indicator of just what exactly it is you "know".

Clays always break. The trick is, to break them in the air.
Real life coaching is available, and I would suggest that the OP start there, at an actual real life club, with a real life shooter that knows what he's doing.

R.
 
Rman said:
No, but your claims are about as ridiculous. As for the rest... well of course you did, back in the 90's. What's next? A story from band camp?

R.
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And you would be the expert on banned camp, we know that you have been sent there.

Rest assured Stubbs neither of these two has probably ever gotten on the scoreboard in any clay target game and MMM once again has offered up yet another unique coaching style. As for Mr Band Camp? Well I know its been more than just this one time for me!
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I was taught to shoot skeet by a fellow by the name of George Ford. I worked with George, shot many, many rounds of skeet with him, including NSSA leagues, and then he convinced me to shoot in the provincials. Due to the time and expenses required to travel from the far North of Alberta to attend events, I never went farther than the provincials, but I did enjoy shooting with George and Larry Shand and some other very talented shooters.
 
stubblejumper said:
And you would be the expert on banned camp, we know that you have been sent there.



I was taught to shoot skeet by a fellow by the name of George Ford. I worked with George, shot many, many rounds of skeet with him, including NSSA leagues, and then he convinced me to shoot in the provincials. Due to the time and expenses required to travel from the far North of Alberta to attend events, I never went farther than the provincials, but I did enjoy shooting with George and Larry Shand and some other very talented shooters.
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I just read through a bunch of Rman's forum posts and it's easy to see why he has been to "banned" camp since he not only offers up superb criticisms of calibres and firearms but calls into question anyone's character who thinks other than he does. I know now from reading his posts which class he shoots in....LOW CLASS!!
 
So shooting with very talented shooters, makes you talented? And qualifies you to dish out your "advice" like an expert? With no registered targets broken for 20 years?

As I suggested to the OP.
He should go to a real club, and get some real advice.

I offer up facts, not pretend. You two should try it some time? I don't call into question any ones character, unless of course, they simply aren't factual. Sound familiar?
There are many roads to get to the same place, and unlike most, I never advocate that my road is the best. That choice is best left to the individual. Low Class indeed.

R.
 
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Very entertaining thread!! I will attempt to put it back on track.:rolleyes:

Great info on how to find your POI. So, once you've done that and have your gun fit if necessary, find an unused skeet field. Go over to station seven, and shoot the low bird until you can hit it consistently. Low 7 is the easiest bird to hit of them all. Once you have the confidence, go back to your trap field and lock the machine for a straightaway. Stand on station 3 and shoot until you are hitting most of them.

Unlock the machine, and have fun!!:)

When you get tired of trap, come on back over to the skeet field and have MORE funcou:
 
Rman said:
So shooting with very talented shooters, makes you talented? And qualifies you to dish out your "advice" like an expert? With no registered targets broken for 20 years?

As I suggested to the OP.
He should go to a real club, and get some real advice.

I offer up facts, not pretend. You two should try it some time? I don't call into question any ones character, unless of course, they simply aren't factual. Sound familiar?
There are many roads to get to the same place, and unlike most, I never advocate that my road is the best. That choice is best left to the individual. Low Class indeed.

R.
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I'm still shooting registered targets....now in the immortal words of Foghorn Leghorn "go away son you bother me, boy's making more noise than a couple of skeletons on a tin roof"
 
What does anyone's opinion on others prowess at shot gunning have to do with helping this gentleman with testing his guns point of impact or how the gun is regulated. Two points that may be of interest that the originator has recognized but most have not been clear at. first, you are absolutely right to confirm that the barrel places the shot pattern where the barrel is pointed. My brother bought a cheap Yildiz to pot grouse that was out two feet, and not just vertcally, when shot at an object under 20 yards away. Hence a useless gun for his somewhat dubious pursuit. Secondly, even if the barrel is properly regulated on his single barrel Turkish gun, what type of rib does it have. Tapered, raised, vent, higher at rear by how much? or no rib at all with a bead screwed into the barrel. Any variation may alter the apparent vertical "built in lead" on the gun and how much barrel or rib you will need to see on a rising target.
 
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