Shot out .22LR

I contacted him. Cost about $350 to reline the whole bbl. Have to think about that, gun is useless the way it is though. Anyone have experience with guns that have been relined like that?
 
If Ron will do it for $350 go for it. He's only charging you for a couple of hours of shop time on top of the barrel price. It will cost you at least that much with anyone else and maybe the person who gave you the initial information might not do the job properly.

The rifle sounds like it is worth fixing. Without pics it's impossible to tell.
 
$350 is very reasonable IMHO. After he makes the barrel liner he has to remove your barrel from the action, drill it out and install the liner. Then he has to chamber, head-space and crown the barrel, and re-install it onto the receiver.

By comparison, 22 LR liners from Track of the Wolf in USA are $5 USD per inch plus shipping and they won't export one anyway. Then you would still have all the other steps to complete.
 
Well, I'm not saying that this is the RIGHT cure but for starters stop shooting HV ammo from the rifle. It's a dedicated target rifle and will in all likelihood shoot more accurately with SV and subsonic ammo anyway.

I'm looking at a couple of liner jobs to restore a couple of my really old rifles. The liner alone from Brownells is $80US. So it's a bit over $100Cdn before he even starts to mount it in the lathe and begin aligning the old bore to get ready for drilling in the new liner bore. So I'm not at all surprised at that price.
 
Ol' Flinter said:
$350 is very reasonable IMHO. After he makes the barrel liner he has to remove your barrel from the action, drill it out and install the liner. Then he has to chamber, head-space and crown the barrel, and re-install it onto the receiver.
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This, in spades!

Ron Smith barrels are top notch, as is his work. For what you get, that looks to me to be a really cheap option!

Were it in my hands, and mine to play with, I would, Like as not, look pretty hard at setting the barrel back and re-cutting a new chamber. Your Machinist friend may well be capable of doing so, but his experience level with firearms work, seems somewhat suspect, if he is telling you that the barrel is hardened.

Cheers
Trev
 
rustynut1 said:
I contacted him. Cost about $350 to reline the whole bbl. Have to think about that, gun is useless the way it is though. Anyone have experience with guns that have been relined like that?
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rustynut1, there is no easy fix to your problem. You might be able to get away with replacing the existing chamber with a chamber insert. At the best of times, chamber inserts are only a temporary fix or for those that only shoot occasionally. As often as not, the hot gasses from the cartridge ignition will cause cutting where the new chamber butts up against the existing barrel. Not only that, whoever does the chamber insert had better be anal about precision and keep that chamber true to the axis of the bore or it will just be money thrown away.

It sounds like you are cash challenged. My advice to you is to sell your rifle and pick up something else with the cash. Many of the new offerings will likely shoot just as well as the rifle you presently use or better and with a lot less hassle and for less than you can get your rifle sleeved for.
 
trevj said:
Liners apparently are available again through Brownell's, as of last year or so, as apparently, the makers of the most commonly used ones, Redman, saw fit to pay up for their Export Registration finally.
Trev
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I just placed and then canceled an order for 3 liners from Brownell's. The US State Department has a flat $250 export fee... it doesn't matter if it is one $33 liner or 100.
 
guntech said:
I just placed and then canceled an order for 3 liners from Brownell's. The US State Department has a flat $250 export fee... it doesn't matter if it is one $33 liner or 100.
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Well, ain't that just crap!

I was informed here on CGN that Redmans had paid up their registration. New Regs again?

Makes the RKS Liner job look like more of an option even so.

Cheers
Trev
 
guntech said:
I just placed and then canceled an order for 3 liners from Brownell's. The US State Department has a flat $250 export fee... it doesn't matter if it is one $33 liner or 100.
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That's new then. I'm glad I got the liners I need for my projects before this nonsense started.
 
I have been talking to Tradeex and their gun smith. First he thought it was a head space issue but the bolt is tight so that seems to be off the list. I don't know what they will suggest. I have lots of guns, some awful expensive. This gun I doubt I have shot 100 rounds through. If I had it to do over again I think I made a mistake buying an old gun like this, too much drama! The Postal Strike has made things a little more complicated I guess. I will wait and see what Tradeex suggests then make a decision. Personally I think relining the bbl. is the way to go, I don't think Tradeex will go this route. I like the gun due to the heavy bull bbl. and the peep sights. It is in good shape overall except I can't eject the brass.
 
Your problem may still be headspacing issues. I have a S&L model 70 from Tradex and when I got mine it was advertised as "bolt will not close", it turned out the bolt was headspaced 0.013" too long. This rifles bolt has a washer/spacer in the makeup of the bolt that determines the headspace. To check the headspace of the bolt I removed the action from the stock and used a feeler gauge behind the bolt handle locking lug and the rear face of the receiver cutout. With the spacing washer removed from the bolt the locking lug had several thou fore and aft play in the receiver cutout and the bolt face was WAY back from the barrel, about 0.025"!!! I made a new spacer (it's just a washer) and by honing it down slowly got the bolt to close with resistance on a 0.0015" feeler gauge so my rifle has around one thou headspace.
The bolt firing pin sear keeps the front of the bolt body from rotating and the bolt disassembly screw holds it all together. If the disassembly screw is very tight you will feel resistance as you close the bolt even if your bolt face never touches the barrel.
I have read in the .22 forum that some other people have had issues with headspacing of these rifles including ballooning cases. I hope that this helps solve your issue.

270 totheend
 
So you remove the bbl from the wood and insert a feeler gauge? My bolt is tight but that depends on how tight the back screw is, if the screw is a bit loose the bolt is loose but I don't think the firing pin would fire at that point. Also the gun can be cocked/uncocked with a slight movement of the bolt handle. This back screw can almost be turned by hand, seems a little weird to me.

I haven't pressed the issue with Tradex but they are not getting back to me so it looks like I'm on my own. I have owned the gun for a couple years so I'm not too surprised.
 
rustynut1 said:
I bought a Shultz and Larson single shot bolt action .22LR bull barrel olympic style rifle. The chamber where the round sits seems to be shot out, too large. I am having trouble ejecting the brass as it seems to be swollen. I had the bright idea to insert a new piece of bbl in place of the shot out spot. Bore out the old chamber and insert a new piece. A machinist friend told me the bull bbl. is harden steel and my idea would be a no go. The rifle wasn't expensive but I like it as it has open peep sights and is kind of cool. Looking for thoughts, advice on my problem.
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Wow 4 pages of post over one shot out .22!

I see that you are in the East. That is good because Jason Spencer ("Gunco") has about a dozen rifle length .22 liners in stock and a .22 (and 22 wmr) reamer on hand - plus the other necessary equipment and tooling to do .22 relines. You could call him at 613-224-6266 about this job.

Be aware, however, that he is pretty booked-up and doesn't like to do mail-in jobs from individuals. He much prefers face to face interactions with walk-ins. Also, he is especially busy now - in the run-up to hunting season.

He had two Shultz and Larson single shot bolt action 22s on the rack last time I was in there and they were pretty cheap. It might not be worthwhile to reline yours.

If Jason says he's too busy to reline your - or whatever, PM me - as there is another option.
 
I finally talked to the selling vendor and was informed that I had 1 month to complain about the gun and this time is long past so this is my issue, my cost. I guess I'm thinking these folks sell basically wore out guns that were bought as surplus and we buy them for good money. I will be awful cautious with dealing with this vendor going forward. There are two issues with this gun: The bolt face looks like a hammer was taken to it, ugly but works OK, and the bbl is bulged at the very back maybe 1/16 of an inch. The brass is bulged on one side and not the other, really hard to extract the brass, need to use a little screwdriver or something like that. I'm likely going to send the gun to a gunsmith and hope for the best, I like the gun, I like open sights. Thanks all for your thoughts.
 
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