This guy seems fairly switched on...
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I've seen only one other, I wonder how many rounds it has on it?
I say that because longevity is supposedly a relative weakness for the 500/590, where it gets worn out between 20K-75K rounds depending on the power of the loads used.
Not sure if true, but there has to be a reason we don't see more of them in the hands of high volume tactical shooters.
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You mean like the US military?
Brutus
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I don't know if I fully agree with you.
Ever been to many US military air bases Early Post 9-11? Lots of uniformed personnel carrying shotguns dedicated to base defense units, a few in full view at vehicle entrances & others (lots of others) just barely hidden away from full public view.
They got tremendous live fire range practice courtesy of Uncle Sam. The folks at the jersey barrier gate would not disclose what was first up the pipe on thier 590A1s.
I was at three bases in SE states right around then and only at one of them did I ever see any M4s on gate duty.
How many of those guys can shoot shotgun anywhere near as well as the instructors, exibitionists and 3 gun competitors?
If look at U.S. military training videos, I'd say, not a lot;
That's not a knock on them but simply the reality of limited training resources. A guy I know in the U.S. Army says the only time they get to shoot a lot is when its time to burn up the previous years allotment of ammo, and that only really happens in garrison.
Greenhorse six
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This may be true , but they tend to issue the same weapons for range use all the time , so some of those guns have a lot of mileage on them .
Brutus
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Two of the bases I went to were dedicated Naval air bases. The third was a Joint Services Base.
The question, how much is "a lot" of mileage for a particular design, the 870, at least the military and police models, have a reputation for holding up over the long term in duty use, with the only real weak point being if the shell latches become unstaked.
The Mossberg OTOH doesn't seem to have nearly the same reputation for durability.
This isn't be being a fanboi, I think that the 500 series is better overall out of the box than newer 870s, but it doesn't appear that they last as long.
Greenhorse six
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Not wanting to get in to a pissing match , but , Why do you feel the Mossberg isn't as durable , It's been in use since the 70's and if there were any problems [ Aside from early ones with one action bar , that had poorly welded action slide tube assemblys ] with it standing up to hard use , it would be well known .
And it did stand up to the U.S. Army's Mil-Spec 3443E test , 3,000 of full power buckshot .
Some don't like it because of the aluminium receiver , but , some don't like Glock because it's plastic , just saying , sounds like more of a personal preference by some , rather then hard fact .
I've seen it mentioned a fair bit over the years by folks who've seen them put to hard use, where they either wear out at relatively modest round counts {however still more than most people will ever shoot}, or they fail to take abuse in the course of duty use that most other designs would have probably let them get away with, like whacking a receiver against a door frame or some other kind of hard edge during an entry.
I don't think an aluminium receiver is a problem in of itself, after many high end shotgun brands like Benelli and Fabarm also have aluminium receivers, but its strongly suspected that the grade of aluminum isn't as good, as reflected by the price difference.
Greenhorse six
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The shotgun in the video is a older gun , at lest 10 years or older , you can tell from the square ejection port , newer one's are rounded at the back , wonder how many rounds he has through it ?
