Why people hate wolves.

carverk said:
Canadian average of native people is 4%
Haida Gwaii we are 50% native we are unregulated hunters except limits that we placed on ourselves
We do not have a shortage of wildlife in fact we have the most generous General rifle season and The longest hunting season in all of Canada as well as the largest bag limit of 15 deer
The numbers speak for themselves
So you have to ask yourself why On Haida Gwaii there is a abundance of deer probably have something to do with no wolfs or coyotes
We are also the only place in Canada that has a natural population a peregrine falcons because we never had to poison wolves not much farming so no pesticides
Besides man Eagles and the odd black bears deer have it pretty good on Haida Gwaii
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Guess you haven't met the Guys from Saddle Lake, who travel 500 miles, with freezer trucks, to hunt west of Sundre.:confused:

Grizz
 
Grizzly Adams said:
Guess you haven't met the Guys from Saddle Lake, who travel 500 miles, with freezer trucks, to hunt west of Sundre.:confused:

Grizz
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We have the same thing going on Haida Gwaii
We've had freight trucks loaded with deer and bear parts headed for the black market in Vancouver and it wasn't natives involved
 
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Gunneegoogoo said:
How low?? Like tour local petting zoo??

I'm no wildlife biologist, but I can read maps and do math good. 20 is a drop in the bucket anywhere in this vast homeland of ours.

We're talking about deer here, something many consider vermin, not whooping cranes, or ghost Grizzlies.

If you are a wildlife biologist, I concede. If your just a guy, like me, you're wrong.

GGG
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That depends on the area. I'm sure where you live there's probably lots of deer. Which is just to say, that people shouldn't generalize. Just because there are huge numbers, on the Saskatchewan prairie and coulees, doesn't mean that's the case everywhere.

And there's many areas in Alberta, where that might also be true. In most of the farming areas, especially where much of the land is posted.

I watched a hunting show, on Wild-TV the other night, from somewhere in the USA mid-west. The field this hunter was in had easily 200 whitetails in it. I couldn't believe how many there were. That area could easily have 20 deer culled and it wouldn't hurt anything.

But where I hunt, in the big bush, away from the private farm lands, deer are few and far between. On a normal day I see anywhere from ZERO to maybe half a dozen. I see more deer driving the highway, then I ever do in the bush.

An area I was hunting, which had good numbers, and excellent genetics, the deer got wiped out in one winter.

Deep snow, deep crust, from all the warm weather cycles we've had over the last number of years.
Coyotes, wolves and crap weather did them in. The coyotes can just cruise on that hard crust.
 
"I watched a hunting show, on Wild-TV the other night, from somewhere in the USA mid-west. The field this hunter was in had easily 200 whitetails in it. I couldn't believe how many there were. That area could easily have 20 deer culled and it wouldn't hurt anything.

But where I hunt, in the big bush, away from the private farm lands, deer are few and far between. On a normal day I see anywhere from ZERO to maybe half a dozen. I see more deer driving the highway, then I ever do in the bush."

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Where I hunt, it's not uncommon for a whole gang of 5 or 6 guys to only see zero to 2 or 3 deer in a whole week.
 
Gunneegoogoo said:
How low?? Like tour local petting zoo??

I'm no wildlife biologist, but I can read maps and do math good. 20 is a drop in the bucket anywhere in this vast homeland of ours.

We're talking about deer here, something many consider vermin, not whooping cranes, or ghost Grizzlies.

If you are a wildlife biologist, I concede. If your just a guy, like me, you're wrong.

GGG
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Hmmm...we're both "just guys", yet you're automatically right? Funny how some people think so highly of themselves, eh?


Many of the bush lots in my area are tiny and hold only a few deer with the largest having a couple dozen and shooting 20 deer would require killing every deer in a few bush lots or eliminating the large majority in the largest bush lots in my area. Therefore, what I said is true as 20 deer can mean nothing in some areas while it can be devastating in others. While I am no biologist, I have hunted the area for over 15 years and participated in enough deer drives to have a very good idea of how many deer are typically in the bush lots I have access to. Many bush lots are so small you only need 3 drivers and 2 blockers to conduct a deer drive and cover the 100% of the bush in one drive.

The only bush lots around here that could support a 20 deer harvest in a season are conservation lands where hunting is not permitted....
 
carverk said:
Canadian average of native people is 4%
Haida Gwaii we are 50% native we are unregulated hunters except limits that we placed on ourselves
We do not have a shortage of wildlife in fact we have the most generous General rifle season and The longest hunting season in all of Canada as well as the largest bag limit of 15 deer
The numbers speak for themselves
So you have to ask yourself why On Haida Gwaii there is a abundance of deer probably have something to do with no wolfs or coyotes
We are also the only place in Canada that has a natural population a peregrine falcons because we never had to poison wolves not much farming so no pesticides
Besides man Eagles and the odd black bears deer have it pretty good on Haida Gwaii
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the mild weather is helping maybe, a little too, im pretty sure ....
 
around here , lets exaggerate things a bit to put things into perspective ...........

3 million hungry wolves , 2 moose , 5 deer ,8 cariboo ,7 elk ................

that is the situation .......

now what are the wolves going to feed on ? farmers cattle maybe

how about your pets ?

small children ?

or maybe they will now come together as a starving horde and start to take on adult humans ?

we are already seeing and hearing reports of this .

the more we gloss over the destructiveness of wolves on mass , the worse the problem will become until there is a forced knee jerk reaction .
 
burnt_servo said:
this just came up in my news feed , and i'd thought i'd share .......

https://www.youcaring.com/bree-hendrickson-660609
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I just read the lady's plea for money. I was saddened. Very hearbroken for her little doggie. If she had a dog that could actually have defended itself like a german sheppard or a couple other large dogs this incident would have been less likely.

I think people who don't want to have interactions with wildlife should move away from it and live in the city. Leave the more dangerous areas for the real men who aren't afraid of the big bad wolf. Some of us actually enjoy wildlife and aren't scared to have a few encounters with what big scary beasts might roam these woods.

Men like us would prefer to see wolves and bears than people that complain about them or try to have them all killed when they attack fluffy.
 
umchorn2 said:
I just read the lady's plea for money. I was saddened. Very hearbroken for her little doggie. If she had a dog that could actually have defended itself like a german sheppard or a couple other large dogs this incident would have been less likely.

I think people who don't want to have interactions with wildlife should move away from it and live in the city. Leave the more dangerous areas for the real men who aren't afraid of the big bad wolf. Some of us actually enjoy wildlife and aren't scared to have a few encounters with what big scary beasts might roam these woods.

Men like us would prefer to see wolves and bears than people that complain about them or try to have them all killed when they attack fluffy.
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You've obviously never been charge by a bear or any other wild animal I can tell you from first-hand experience it is scary as hell
I'm sure for someone without any experience or training it would be overwhelming
Prince Rupert is a city had the same thing happened with the lady walking a small dog luckily the vehicle driver stopped and drag her into their car the Woman suffered bites to her leg and ankles in her small dog didn't survive if I remember right
 
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carverk said:
Canadian average of native people is 4%
Haida Gwaii we are 50% native we are unregulated hunters except limits that we placed on ourselves
We do not have a shortage of wildlife in fact we have the most generous General rifle season and The longest hunting season in all of Canada as well as the largest bag limit of 15 deer
The numbers speak for themselves
So you have to ask yourself why On Haida Gwaii there is a abundance of deer probably have something to do with no wolfs or coyotes
We are also the only place in Canada that has a natural population a peregrine falcons because we never had to poison wolves not much farming so no pesticides
Besides man Eagles and the odd black bears deer have it pretty good on Haida Gwaii
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This example is well worth looking at.

Not only is there year round, unregulated native deer hunting, a non native BC resident hunter can kill 15 deer per year on HG.

When you compare it to VI, there is no way VI deer populations could support that type of harvest. There is far more people and far more traffic on southern VI than HG, but the north end of the island isn't heavily populated. If you compare deer populations of northern VI with HG, there really isn't any comparison!

VI has no yotes, but lots of wolves and cougars.
 
umchorn2 said:
I just read the lady's plea for money. I was saddened. Very hearbroken for her little doggie. If she had a dog that could actually have defended itself like a german sheppard or a couple other large dogs this incident would have been less likely.

I think people who don't want to have interactions with wildlife should move away from it and live in the city. Leave the more dangerous areas for the real men who aren't afraid of the big bad wolf. Some of us actually enjoy wildlife and aren't scared to have a few encounters with what big scary beasts might roam these woods.

Men like us would prefer to see wolves and bears than people that complain about them or try to have them all killed when they attack fluffy.
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You must not have much wolf experience. 2 wolves can kill the hell out of a german shepard without any problem.
 
umchorn2 said:
I think people who don't want to have interactions with wildlife should move away from it and live in the city. Leave the more dangerous areas for the real men who aren't afraid of the big bad wolf. Some of us actually enjoy wildlife and aren't scared to have a few encounters with what big scary beasts might roam these woods.
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You want to see some real wildlife in the city? Come down to Jane and Finch in TO on a Saturday night. Then we'll see who's afraid.;)
 
umchorn2 said:
I just read the lady's plea for money. I was saddened. Very hearbroken for her little doggie. If she had a dog that could actually have defended itself like a german sheppard or a couple other large dogs this incident would have been less likely.

I think people who don't want to have interactions with wildlife should move away from it and live in the city. Leave the more dangerous areas for the real men who aren't afraid of the big bad wolf. Some of us actually enjoy wildlife and aren't scared to have a few encounters with what big scary beasts might roam these woods.

Men like us would prefer to see wolves and bears than people that complain about them or try to have them all killed when they attack fluffy.
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liberal wanker....
 
Gatehouse said:
This example is well worth looking at.

Not only is there year round, unregulated native deer hunting, a non native BC resident hunter can kill 15 deer per year on HG.

When you compare it to VI, there is no way VI deer populations could support that type of harvest. There is far more people and far more traffic on southern VI than HG, but the north end of the island isn't heavily populated. If you compare deer populations of northern VI with HG, there really isn't any comparison!

VI has no yotes, but lots of wolves and cougars.
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At one time the province wanted to introduce wolfes and cougars to Haida Gwaii
Luckily the council Of the Haida nations put a stop to that in a hurry or we would have bin overran with predators
 
carverk said:
At one time the province wanted to introduce wolfes and cougars to Haida Gwaii
Luckily the council Of the Haida nations put a stop to that in a hurry or we would have bin overran with predators
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You want to know the perfect example of what a predator free country looks like? (Besides Haida Gwaii)

New Zealand.

Check out the Red Deer there, for one. They have an enormous population of Red Deer, the finest trophy quality in the world.
 
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