Have you considered a Mini-14? It has all the attributes that you list.
AR mags, AR accessories compatibility, and a general dislike of everything ruger
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AR mags, AR accessories compatibility, and a general dislike of everything ruger
I live between the two large Lakes here in the Okanagan and have a canoe if that helps.
Agreed we should not be blaming our local boys/girls in blue, as you say it's coming from much higher up the chain of command.
Doesn't seem fair that modifying a product after you've paid for it in full would be any of the manufacturers concern/business. I'd be more then a little pissed if Ford complained that I'd dropped a big block V8 into my F150 where there once sat Fords factory small block V8 and then they choose to no longer sell me parts for maintenance anymore, just because.
Holding back the purchase of parts as a means of deterring modifications to this platform just seems a little bizarre and disheartening to the purchase of this rifle.
I remember ATRS had concerns over barrel lengths being modified to less then a 18.6" NR status length and therefore bringing up concerns of a restricted MH/MV rifle, but never anything regarding calibre conversions as being an issue? Of course that doesn't mean to say it hadn't come up...
I do recognize the Canadian situation regarding our firearm regulations with respect to the many items pertaining to the use of Black Rifles or their accessories and the thin ice we navigate on regularly due to the very poor wording of our Canadian firearm regulations.
Yes, while there are many attributes regarding Black Rifles (and many other types of firearms) that we must be aware of and adhere to for legal reasons because our firearm regulations here in Canada are shaded in grey to say the least with respect to their wording/meanings...
And while I appreciate all ATRS has done to bring a NR rifle to market that offers us a choice similar to an AR rifle, concern over calibre choices does not come to mind (for myself at least) as an issue we need worry of; barrel lengths yes, different/larger calibre's no.
Or am I missing something in this scenario?
So you're telling us you don't have a Ruger 10/22 hiding away in a back corner of your safe?
I think I like this pic. best, but of course this rifle looks great from any angle and I sure do like the black barrel treatment (will have to do that to my next project as it just looks so sweet).
Cheers D
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I did ask the question on this forum ( I wanted specific calibers), I do not understand the response I got either nor do I care to try. It is only a matter of time until someone like Herron Arms gets ahold of one and then we will know what is possible conversion wise.
In the end, If it is a better platform than the ACR and caliber conversions are possible, I will give it a try.
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I live between the two large Lakes here in the Okanagan and have a canoe if that helps.
Agreed we should not be blaming our local boys/girls in blue, as you say it's coming from much higher up the chain of command.
Doesn't seem fair that modifying a product after you've paid for it in full would be any of the manufacturers concern/business. I'd be more then a little pissed if Ford complained that I'd dropped a big block V8 into my F150 where there once sat Fords factory small block V8 and then they choose to no longer sell me parts for maintenance anymore, just because.
Holding back the purchase of parts as a means of deterring modifications to this platform just seems a little bizarre and disheartening to the purchase of this rifle.
I remember ATRS had concerns over barrel lengths being modified to less then a 18.6" NR status length and therefore bringing up concerns of a restricted MH/MV rifle, but never anything regarding calibre conversions as being an issue? Of course that doesn't mean to say it hadn't come up...
I do recognize the Canadian situation regarding our firearm regulations with respect to the many items pertaining to the use of Black Rifles or their accessories and the thin ice we navigate on regularly due to the very poor wording of our Canadian firearm regulations.
Yes, while there are many attributes regarding Black Rifles (and many other types of firearms) that we must be aware of and adhere to for legal reasons because our firearm regulations here in Canada are shaded in grey to say the least with respect to their wording/meanings...
And while I appreciate all ATRS has done to bring a NR rifle to market that offers us a choice similar to an AR rifle, concern over calibre choices does not come to mind (for myself at least) as an issue we need worry of; barrel lengths yes, different/larger calibre's no.
Or am I missing something in this scenario?
So you're telling us you don't have a Ruger 10/22 hiding away in a back corner of your safe?
I think I like this pic. best, but of course this rifle looks great from any angle and I sure do like the black barrel treatment (will have to do that to my next project as it just looks so sweet).
Cheers D
In order to address concerns regarding restricted barrel lengths, the pin of the barrel extension is flipped 180 degrees. This is simply so you cannot easily swap back and forth with a short 10" AR barrel. The downside to this for the guy intent on modifying the rifle is those barrel extensions are proprietary. One would need to modify (machine) the upper, which from the manufacturer standpoint is something we can point to and say it didn't leave here that way.
I can't recall anyone saying that future parts would be leveraged against you or anything, but we also need to discourage some aspects of caliber conversions from a safety perspective. (Think subsonic 300blk in an 18.6" barrel... Boom. ) Warranty however, would be voided by modifying the rifle, and you could be charged shop rates for any repairs afterwards. That's just industry standard.
I assure you that some caliber conversations are being researched (6.5). As long as the test results are positive, they will be available direct from manufacturer. Priority is on delivering the rifles that have been ordered however.
Currently there are limited numbers of parts available for uppers, in the future, who knows what's possible.
Cheers
Shaun
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It's a bit of a shame you have to modify magazines for the rifle of the same manufacturer (those excellent ATRS mag.'s always worked great in my DD).
Will be interested to see how your rifle performs, best of luck in the competition and I'll look forward to your report.
As someone who hasn't competed in service rifle (yet), nor am I familiar with the rules... would you please explain why a different magazine would cost a competitor points?
Thanks D
For many of the matches, the clock is running. A stoppage will result in saved rounds, and lost points.
If the rifle/magazine combination does not permit magazine monopodding, that is a problem. Using the magazine as a monopod is very useful when a bipod is not allowed.
In addition, the magazine is also used in other positions; if pressure on the magazine results in stoppages, that is also a problem.
Thank you for that information.
I would have thought the ATRS magazines were likely some of the best magazines available.
Cheers D
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