Need suggestions for rings on Cz 452 american

Yeah thinking about the Talleys.. heard the low will not clear the high bolt so will get the med to make sure. Expensive though but I had my lesson with cheap stuff in the past..

Though I will say the 11mm warne rings were great on the cz 452 varmint, no issues great fit.
 
When I can't decide on rings for a particular rifle I usually buy a few types and sizes, try them on the gun and keep the setup that works the best for height/clearance and overall aesthetics.

Patrick
 
DarkStalker said:
Yeah thinking about the Talleys.. heard the low will not clear the high bolt so will get the med to make sure. Expensive though but I had my lesson with cheap stuff in the past..

Though I will say the 11mm warne rings were great on the cz 452 varmint, no issues great fit.
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452 varmints were built with both 11mm and 3/8" rails... 11mm has no issues with any rings, the 3/8" are the finicky ones. As an aside, that is why sometimes we see 452 varmints being sold as americans... because although they are varmint, they are stamped American on the receiver.
 
mastermind said:
You'll want to use quality rings that mount as low as possible without interfering with the operation of the bolt. For my CZ 455 with Leupold VX-2 rimfire 3-9x33 the Burris Signature (P/N 420554) rings are the perfect fit. I never understood those that suggest and use high rings.
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It has to do with your style of shooting and those who use scopes with larger objectives will simply need higher rings than you'd use for a 33mm scope. As a silhouette shooter you're allowed to mount your scope up to 1.5 inches to the bottom of the scope. As you stand and shoot in this discipline you want the scope up higher so you don't have to scrunch your neck down to shoot. Why is everyone obsessed with mounting their scopes so low? The only "rules" are:

1) Keep the objective off the barrel
2) Comfortable for your shooting position
3) Aesthetic considerations to your personal taste

 
Leupold 13 mm rings in Medium would fit well with your 452 American and your Leupold Rimfire scope.

The "3/8" dovetail on the 452 American in 22LR is very close to 13 mm wide at the top versus the standard 11 mm that can be found on most cz rimfire rifles.
I have tried a couple of different ring options on my 452 American in 22LR and the Leupold 13 mm rings in medium or Talleys (not the CZ 11mm version!!!) seem to fit the best. As I don't care for the look of the Talleys, I use the Leupold rings.
Other rings that I have tried like Warne or Burris will lean to one side on the CZ 3/8 (13 mm) dovetail. An easy way to see how badly your rings lean to one side is to mount the front ring onto the dovetail with the clamp to one side and then rotate the rear ring and mount it with the clamp in the opposite direction. Once you have both rings mounted, try to fit your scope or better, your ring lapping tool into the ring bottom halves.
Not even the Leupold 13 mm rings match perfectly but some rings that claim to fit 3/8 dovetail will show a mismatch of several mm between the front and rear ring when installed with clamps in the oposite direction.
K
 
RabidM4U5 said:
Why is everyone obsessed with mounting their scopes so low?
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The advantage of a low scope is that at short distances there is less offset between the POI and the POA. This is useful for plinkers and short-range small game hunters. It can also let you use stocks that are designed for use with iron sights.

A higher scope will tend to push your "point blank range" out further with any given projectile speed. Field-Target air rifle shooters use this to compensate for the fact that ranging by parallax gets less accurate at longer ranges.
 
Kody said:
Leupold 13 mm rings in Medium would fit well with your 452 American and your Leupold Rimfire scope.

The "3/8" dovetail on the 452 American in 22LR is very close to 13 mm wide at the top versus the standard 11 mm that can be found on most cz rimfire rifles.
I have tried a couple of different ring options on my 452 American in 22LR and the Leupold 13 mm rings in medium or Talleys (not the CZ 11mm version!!!) seem to fit the best. As I don't care for the look of the Talleys, I use the Leupold rings.
Other rings that I have tried like Warne or Burris will lean to one side on the CZ 3/8 (13 mm) dovetail. An easy way to see how badly your rings lean to one side is to mount the front ring onto the dovetail with the clamp to one side and then rotate the rear ring and mount it with the clamp in the opposite direction. Once you have both rings mounted, try to fit your scope or better, your ring lapping tool into the ring bottom halves.
Not even the Leupold 13 mm rings match perfectly but some rings that claim to fit 3/8 dovetail will show a mismatch of several mm between the front and rear ring when installed with clamps in the oposite direction.
K
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The 13 mm Leuopold medium rings I received for my CZ 452 American will not fit a VX2 4-12X40 because the objective touches the barrel and that is before tightening and a piece of paper will not slide under it. If they were to be tightened the objective lens would be compromised.

So now I have these rings and they are of no use to me and I don't know which ones to order and from whom. Your advice would be appreciated.
 
15567 said:
The 13 mm Leuopold medium rings I received for my CZ 452 American will not fit a VX2 4-12X40 because the objective touches the barrel and that is before tightening and a piece of paper will not slide under it. If they were to be tightened the objective lens would be compromised.

So now I have these rings and they are of no use to me and I don't know which ones to order and from whom. Your advice would be appreciated.
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Here's mine for what it's worth. I have a 452 Varmint with a Leupold VX2 6-18x40 with AO. I'm using the Warne 7.3 722 high rings which are an excellent fit. $42 on Amazon.ca The medium rings would be too low with that scope. You can compare the objective bell diameter on Leupold's site.
 
15567 said:
The 13 mm Leuopold medium rings I received for my CZ 452 American will not fit a VX2 4-12X40 because the objective touches the barrel and that is before tightening and a piece of paper will not slide under it. If they were to be tightened the objective lens would be compromised.

So now I have these rings and they are of no use to me and I don't know which ones to order and from whom. Your advice would be appreciated.
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Sorry to hear the rings will not work for you. I use the same rings on my CZ452 American, 22lr, with a Leupold VX2 6-18X40 AO and there is 0.020 in clearance between the AO ring and the barrel. Your scope 4-12X40 is shorter than the 6-18, perhaps the barrel taper plus some tolerance stack up got the best of you.
PS: You want to be able to slip a business card between the scope and the barrel...
 
Kody said:
Sorry to hear the rings will not work for you. I use the same rings on my CZ452 American, 22lr, with a Leupold VX2 6-18X40 AO and there is 0.020 in clearance between the AO ring and the barrel. Your scope 4-12X40 is shorter than the 6-18, perhaps the barrel taper plus some tolerance stack up got the best of you.
PS: You want to be able to slip a business card between the scope and the barrel...
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Thanks Kody, I recall your post stating that your 40 objective fits fine.

Leuopold tech advisor in the US recommended the medium 13 mm rings and told me they would fit the scope. Could not put a piece of paper under the objective with it resting on the rings without them being tightened ...

Hope some site sponsor has rings that will do the job, I've been waiting for these to get imported for over two months.
 
bcwave said:
I have CZ 452 Varmint and American and use CZ rings. When I was looking I found this sheet from rimfire central of what a bunch of silhouette shooters were using for ring and scope combos.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jE6mRpBPhhd6RpTBzeaGh_z6C7X4b8p2ZD2s9MmCz2w/edit#gid=0
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Thanks bcwave for the chart.

Really strange that a user SKYWAGON180 is listed as using the same Leuopold 13 mm medium rings and same scope as mine??? Let me assure you that a piece of paper would not fit under the objective lens with scope laying on the rings.

I would just like to get some correct rings and it would be great if a site sponsor has them.
 
15567 said:
Thanks Kody, I recall your post stating that your 40 objective fits fine.

Leuopold tech advisor in the US recommended the medium 13 mm rings and told me they would fit the scope. Could not put a piece of paper under the objective with it resting on the rings without them being tightened ...

Hope some site sponsor has rings that will do the job, I've been waiting for these to get imported for over two months.
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Why don't you flip the rings just to elliminage the possibility that the front ring is lower than the rear ? Perhaps you can also try to move the rings to a different location on the dovetail and see if you get more clearance? No guarantees but it is easy to try....
 
Kody said:
Why don't you flip the rings just to elliminage the possibility that the front ring is lower than the rear ? Perhaps you can also try to move the rings to a different location on the dovetail and see if you get more clearance? No guarantees but it is easy to try....
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Thanks for this recommendation, but I was there when Casey at Tactical Ordinance tried to mount this scope and the issue was there regardless of how placed.
 
There are always two points that require clearance. The bolt clearing the eye piece and the objective clearing the barrel.
I have encountered both situations and have found the Leupold High Ring Mount one solution and use that on my Varmint 455. The Leupold Medium was a problem.
The 455 American has a DIP Base and with a Weaver style mount there is ample clearance.
I have never tried the other rings mentioned.

This is close . . .



This could use a medium or low.

 
This is what I use on my 452 American 22LR: Leupold 13 mm rimfire rings in Medium, Leupold 6-18x40 AO. I am pretty sure that if you use a shorter VX 2 with AO like the 4-12x40 AO, the barrel taper "eats up" the 0.020 in clearance that I get with the longer 6-18:


 
Kody said:
This is what I use on my 452 American 22LR: Leupold 13 mm rimfire rings in Medium, Leupold 6-18x40 AO. I am pretty sure that if you use a shorter VX 2 with AO like the 4-12x40 AO, the barrel taper "eats up" the 0.020 in clearance that I get with the longer 6-18:


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Really nice Kody!

Now I would have preferred to have ordered your scope, also the 13 mm Leuopold rings would have worked fine as well.

I placed an order for these Warne rings, they look like the Talleys and don't know whether this was a good choice? Might be difficult to install as to not mar the scope as well and have to find out which end is the 3/8".

http://www.grouseriver.com/Warne-Ma...-22-Rimfire-Rings-1?quantity=1&custcol49=High
 
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