Actions by Defiance, stiller etc... Vs a remmy action that's trued up
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Barnard should be mentioned as: you can change the firing in in seconds with no tools; perfect concentricity; tough CM steel; easy bolt lift; fast lock time; 3 locking lugs and P comes with fine 2-stage trigger; S has R700SA footprint(mostly) with longer tenon. Popular in F and TR circles.
I've been contemplating a custom build 6.5 Creedmoor for the last year or so. I keep bouncing back and forth between the Defiance, Surgeon and Bighorn TL3. I plan on getting Insite to do my build when I finally decide and have enough money.
Surgeon and Defiance both feature integral lugs and rails. The bighorn has an integral lug and pinned rail. Right now it seems like the bighorn is the hottest action out there with controlled round feed, mechanical ejection, floating bolt head, and the ability to run AW mags. Right now that's the way I'm leaning but I bounce back and forth between it and Surgeon. Honestly I don't think we'd be disappointed in any of the three, I just like to have my mind made up before I do decide on one.
Surgeon and Defiance both feature integral lugs and rails. The bighorn has an integral lug and pinned rail. Right now it seems like the bighorn is the hottest action out there with controlled round feed, mechanical ejection, floating bolt head, and the ability to run AW mags. Right now that's the way I'm leaning but I bounce back and forth between it and Surgeon. Honestly I don't think we'd be disappointed in any of the three, I just like to have my mind made up before I do decide on one.
Should be fairly soon, they are working out some of the final details.
+1 for this! They are Shooters that promote PRS Shooting. And their products are great to boot.
Their customer service is top notch. I screwed up my rifle and they fixed it quickly and even brought it to match so I'd have something to shoot with.
Even if their actions are not up and running, they do great work with surgeons
More than a couple Canadian options now Jerry, I know of 4 that are available. Insite Arms 3-lug action(pending), Ultimatum, KS Arms 3-lug action, and ATRS Infidel/ Maverick actions. Anyone know of any others?
pgw
I don't think Ross would sell an action only.
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On a side note, your new Timberwolf is DOPE !
I have had custom tactical rigs built (by ATRS ) on Defiance and Stiller - in my view Defiance is much the better of those two and I would not use a Stiller again.
I have customs built (Tac Ord and NSB ) on Rem 700 and they are excellent shooters but, yes, they do lack the prestige of a custom if that is important to you.
I have had F-Class built on RPA and they are fine but not really my cup of tea and, currently, have a F-Open on a Barnard P and a F/TR on a Barnard S - built by M. McPhee (RIP) and the Chou Bros these are excellent rifles and I'd have no hesitation in recommending Barnard actions again for any single shot F class rifle.
I know someone else said they would only trust Insite with their money but, for me, there are a number of other choices and at present the Chou Bros are in possession of my Surgeon action and I have every expectation that the 6.5x47 they are building me will be as excellent and fine an instrument as the Barnard S they built me.
Of course, PGW are always good choices and Ross will provide superb customer service.
I have customs built (Tac Ord and NSB ) on Rem 700 and they are excellent shooters but, yes, they do lack the prestige of a custom if that is important to you.
I have had F-Class built on RPA and they are fine but not really my cup of tea and, currently, have a F-Open on a Barnard P and a F/TR on a Barnard S - built by M. McPhee (RIP) and the Chou Bros these are excellent rifles and I'd have no hesitation in recommending Barnard actions again for any single shot F class rifle.
I know someone else said they would only trust Insite with their money but, for me, there are a number of other choices and at present the Chou Bros are in possession of my Surgeon action and I have every expectation that the 6.5x47 they are building me will be as excellent and fine an instrument as the Barnard S they built me.
Of course, PGW are always good choices and Ross will provide superb customer service.
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AFAIK, ATRS will not sell you the action alone.
Insite is not in production .... but likely very soon.
PGW may sell you an action... they did a fantastic job with their Titanium ones but not sure if they are offering actions at this time.
Same with Cadex so...
I think we are back to 2 where you can fill out a spec sheet, send money and .... enjoy.
Jerry
I know a guy in Quebekistan, Mr Gerard Gaulin.
He's a very reputable gunsmith and a good shooter.
He make his own actions with 4 lugs bolt.
I think he have a brother which was also a gunsmith.
He did/still do alot of job for Fierce.
He only make small batch/limited runs of his actions.
He rebarreled one of my rifle recently and I had the chance to see his actions.
I'm sure these are very good actions, they are very well made.
He had a complete 6ppc rifle built around his action and I saw one group on a target. It was well under 1/4 at 100y.
He also have a black powder rifle built with his action that shoots around half MOA at 100y.
I don't know if he have a couple actions for sale as we speak.
But that is another option.
He's a very reputable gunsmith and a good shooter.
He make his own actions with 4 lugs bolt.
I think he have a brother which was also a gunsmith.
He did/still do alot of job for Fierce.
He only make small batch/limited runs of his actions.
He rebarreled one of my rifle recently and I had the chance to see his actions.
I'm sure these are very good actions, they are very well made.
He had a complete 6ppc rifle built around his action and I saw one group on a target. It was well under 1/4 at 100y.
He also have a black powder rifle built with his action that shoots around half MOA at 100y.
I don't know if he have a couple actions for sale as we speak.
But that is another option.
That is a good point, I just wanted to make sure everyone was aware of all the Canadian options out there. But, yes, not all can be bought without having the maker do the build.
That's what I meant when I said earlier that Ross probably wouldn't sell an action alone.
and in the Short Range BR circles a custom action is still NOT good enough.
For the price that is paid in US dollars (the current hottest being BATS) many of the TOP actions used in registered matches are worked over by top BR builders. You want to win, they are checked over, measured and worked. Sometimes even sold without ever having a barrel screwed on because they are felt to not be good enough to make a winner.
For the price that is paid in US dollars (the current hottest being BATS) many of the TOP actions used in registered matches are worked over by top BR builders. You want to win, they are checked over, measured and worked. Sometimes even sold without ever having a barrel screwed on because they are felt to not be good enough to make a winner.
