Modern Varminter - another range report UPDATED POST 61, better groups

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Updated post 61. TL;DR changed scopes, better groups.

After a long wait, my ATRS Modern Varmint finally arrived. I ordered in May, and it was completed in early December. However due to some PAL issues, ie I forgot to renew until the last minute, I only just received it a few days ago. An initial inspection shows that it really is a well made firearm. When I pick it up, it feels solid. It is also quite lightweight, for an 18.5" barrel, I think. I am used to my Swiss Arms, as well as my keymod XCR; it feels lighter than both. I will get them all weighed up in the next bit to find out exactly where they are at.

The specs on this MV are as follows:
-Medium contour Lilja barrel
-A2 grip
-A2 stock
-FORTIS forend
-I also have a 12.5" PRI forend. I really want to turn this into a Mk. 12 inspired gun, so where I can I am buying the proper parts to do that. I think it will be awesome to have a non restricted "Mk. 12".
-ATRS LFE (I think?)
-Nightforce NSX compact 2.5-10x24 (again, for the "Mk 12"). It has a pretty big dot in the middle of the reticle, not exactly conducive to precision shooting, ha. Great scope, though.

Anyways, no one cares about specs. People only care about how the thing shoots! And in that regard, it is a resounding... ok? I really shouldn't say it like that, but sadly, so far that's how it seems. I have only shot 53 and 55 grain projectiles (55 gr PMC Bronze; 53 gr Hornady Superformance) through it, but it really is about the same, or likely a bit less accurate, WITH LIGHT PROJECTILES as my Swiss. I am hoping to throw some 75 grain Hornady match ammo downrange in the next day or two, and I am also hoping to use some proper bags. As you can see in the pictures, I was not using anything special to shoot from. I had a bench, a front rest, and I was using a spare mag to stabilise the rear. I know, not what I should have done for my first shoot, but come on, it was -1, I had to get out there and shoot!

The trigger is a beautiful thing. So far I would likely say I prefer the Swiss trigger to it, but that is likely only due to the fact that I have a metric crap tonne of rounds downrange with the Classic Green. This trigger will grow on me fast. Very crisp, very predictable.

Breakdown for cleaning is ridiculously simple. A single pin. Pull the upper and lower apart. I like it.

So, my first impression is that this is a very well made gun. It feels solid, it is light, and it looks great. I am assuming it is reliable, but my 70 rounds with 0 stoppages/issues don't really count for much, yet. I do hope that using a proper rest my groups will improve, but quite frankly, even if they don't, I think it is still doing pretty well for a black rifle, and I am very happy with it. It will also be fun to try some 3 gun with it this year. I am assuming it will work a little nicer than my Swiss, and having 10 round mags will just make life oh so much easier. I just wish, being a lefty, I would have got the ambi mag release. Seriously, I buy an expensive gun and the Mennonite in me kicks in for that? Oh ba yo!

The gun:


The shooting bench. I would recommend these Herter shooting benches to anyone and everyone. <$150!:


The target. The left two targets had 10 rounds of PMC Bronze each, the right two had 5 rounds of Hornady 53 gr. Superformance each:
 
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I'm having a hard time not comparing these results with my Norinco 20".
Hopefully some different projectiles will tighten things up.

Haha, I was waiting for that unfortunate comparison. Sad but true, right? While I am happy with anything under 2 moa for a black rifle, if I wasn't worried about non restricted, the Norc AR looks like the best bang for my buck! I was hoping for a bit tighter of groups, but we will see when I have a bit more time and some better rests? If I can be at <1.5 moa consistently from the bench, I will be pretty ecstatic. So far of all my autoloaders, only my Swiss has bested 1.5 moa on over 5x5 shot groups. The XCR's, Tavors, and SL8 never did make it under that threshold.
 
I'd get off the wobley bench, go prone with some bags. I was thinking of getting one of these, but for the price you pay, the accuracy just isn't there. Hope you can tighten it up man.
 
What's the barrel twist, 1 in 8?

I wouldn't be concerned about how the groups look at this point. Hand loads should = tighter groups, if you don't give Hornady 75 HPBT Match a try (better still some Fed GMM). My hand loads with this projectile have been pretty good for a "2 MOA" rifle (Colt upper). I've had 5 or 6, 5 shot groups just over/under MOA. I've also had great results with 55 gr V-Max bullets, but in the case of both bullets they have been loaded to a lower velocity than factory.
 
Hey there ain't nothing wrong with a Mennonite buying a smoking nice gun lol ack zee ook deetch! I'm from winkler and I think I need a modern varminter too lol
 
Haha, I was waiting for that unfortunate comparison. Sad but true, right? While I am happy with anything under 2 moa for a black rifle, if I wasn't worried about non restricted, the Norc AR looks like the best bang for my buck! I was hoping for a bit tighter of groups, but we will see when I have a bit more time and some better rests? If I can be at <1.5 moa consistently from the bench, I will be pretty ecstatic. So far of all my autoloaders, only my Swiss has bested 1.5 moa on over 5x5 shot groups. The XCR's, Tavors, and SL8 never did make it under that threshold.

If you couldn't shoot an SL8 into 1 moa or very close to it you either can't shoot or you need to try different ammo.
I'm sure you will see your groups tighten up when you go prone off proper sandbags and try some quality ammo of the 68+ grain variety. Shooting off a wobbly table without a proper rear rest you may as well just stand with it and ring gongs.
 
If you couldn't shoot an SL8 into 1 moa or very close to it you either can't shoot or you need to try different ammo.
I'm sure you will see your groups tighten up when you go prone off proper sandbags and try some quality ammo of the 68+ grain variety. Shooting off a wobbly table without a proper rear rest you may as well just stand with it and ring gongs.

Id agree I just shot a little better than 1 MOA with my sl8 today, CR5 as my witness, I'm hoping some people start showing results with some decent handloads and the MV so far seems like just a custom NR
 
If you couldn't shoot an SL8 into 1 moa or very close to it you either can't shoot or you need to try different ammo.
I'm sure you will see your groups tighten up when you go prone off proper sandbags and try some quality ammo of the 68+ grain variety. Shooting off a wobbly table without a proper rear rest you may as well just stand with it and ring gongs.

My experience with an SL8 was similar to the previous posters XP..... not bad, but not $3K good.....

And I believe I can shoot possibly well....

OP, very curious how it will shoot with heavier pills and/or handloads.

Cheers!
 
PM me before you put it on the EE

Haha, nah I fully intend on keeping it for a very long time. I'm happy with it, just hoping I can get shooting a bit tighter than right now. I'll try prone with proper bags.

As for not being able to shoot my old SL8 under 1.5 moa, I don't know. Maybe you are right, and I indeed cannot shoot.

Anyways, this was just my first 70 rounds through it. So far pretty happy.
 
I don't think that your current shooting setup is conducive to shooting small groups.
Front and rear bags or at least a bipod and a rear bag should provide a more stable shooting platform.
I would even go so far as to say ditch the table and go prone.

I know sombody who spent a hell of a lot of money on a Modern Varminter with a Proof Reserach barrel.
He has tried everything as far as handloading goes and has not been able to shrink his group size with either 55, 69, and 77 gr projectiles.
He is someone who works in the industry and has other high end rifles that he shoots itty bitty groups with.

I will give you a couple of suggestions which have worked well for me in some rifles that dont seem to want to group very tight with FMJ's or BTHP's.
Try some 55 gr Hornady Steel Match (loaded in unreloadable steel cases) or Hornady American Gunner (Loaded in reloadable barss cases).
They are both crazy accurtate, at least out of the guns I have seen them shot out of.
The reason is that they are using Hornady 55gr HP bullets which have a flat base.
At distances under 300Y I have found that flat base bullets are more accurate than boat tail.

If you reload there are a bunch of flat base bullets you can try.
 
As mentioned, try a better rest and keep trying some different loads. My light barrel likes 69 grain sierras and varget. That has been a go to load in every .223 I have owned. Here's a cold bore group I shot a couple weeks ago:

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As for not being able to shoot my old SL8 under 1.5 moa, I don't know. Maybe you are right, and I indeed cannot shoot.

Anyways, this was just my first 70 rounds through it. So far pretty happy.

I've owned three SL8's over the years, I didn't keep the last one long enough to do any load testing but the first two would shoot 1 moa with quality ammo.

I'm sure you'll find a load it likes and see those groups shrink with some more time behind it.
Glad to hear another happy owner with positive reports.

Good luck
 
Sadly those results from the OP are in the same realm as the XCR, for an extra 1 k in cost. The second pic post looks more like I had hoped for the platform!
 
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