Walther Running Boar Rifle

Def 2 different trigger groups on the rifles. They both feel great. The KKM is still nicer than most triggers on an annie 54-1907. The Running Boar is even better. It breaks so cleanly it makes the proverbial glass rod term obsolete. I now understand why the RB is well regarded
 
Those bear a resemblance to this one of mine (a KKMS):

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It has the wonderful Walther match trigger, which I've been able to adjust down to 3.5 oz.

Oddly enough, this KKJ of mine has the exact same trigger, but I've only been able to adjust it down to about 8.5 oz.

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South Pender said:
Those bear a resemblance to this one of mine (a KKMS):

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It has the wonderful Walther match trigger, which I've been able to adjust down to 3.5 oz.

Oddly enough, this KKJ of mine has the exact same trigger, but I've only been able to adjust it down to about 8.5 oz.

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Aha... the KKMS, Mettalic Silhouette gun!! What a beauty!!! Congrats, wonderful rifle. I took the Running Boar out shooting today, perfect conditions, and it shot slightly better than the KKM UIT Match. but the difference was so marginal, I am chalking it up to variances in glass, and maybe shooter ability.
 
Got Juice? said:
Your MS Gun will have the same trigger as the Running Boar. Match Rifles have another, Standard rifles are different yet again.
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I think you may find that the UIT-Spezial,Match, Match-Universal, KK Match(GX1) and the Boar gun and KKMS of the 80s era used the same model of trigger. The Match-universal was the rifle intended for UIT Standard Rifle competition.
 
dryfire said:
I think you may find that the UIT-Spezial,Match, Match-Universal, KK Match(GX1) and the Boar gun and KKMS of the 80s era used the same model of trigger. The Match-universal was the rifle intended for UIT Standard Rifle competition.
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This is the second time tou have mentioned this. I have 2 rifles that disagree with you. The MS model and Running boar do not have the same trigger as the UIT :)
 
Here's a question to you guys with Walthers: Have you had them either glass- or pillar-bedded? I haven't done anything to my KKMS, but have thought that glass-bedding might be a good idea--if I could find someone who had some experience with doing Walthers. Not sure how the front action-screw setup would be handled with pillar-bedding. This picture is of my KKJ, but the KKMS has the same front action-screw threaded pillar. Perhaps a larger pillar for pillar-bedding could be fitted around it?

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South Pender said:
Here's a question to you guys with Walthers: Have you had them either glass- or pillar-bedded? I haven't done anything to my KKMS, but have thought that glass-bedding might be a good idea--if I could find someone who had some experience with doing Walthers.
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I have not bedded any of mine. They both shoot well. I do not know anyone who has bedded one either. You coukd send YoDave on CGN a message. If anyone would know he could point you in the right direction. Is your rifle not shooting well?
 
Got Juice? said:
I have not bedded any of mine. They both shoot well. I do not know anyone who has bedded one either. You coukd send YoDave on CGN a message. If anyone would know he could point you in the right direction. Is your rifle not shooting well?
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I've only had it out for one range session. Here are the results (I posted this a while ago on RFC):

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50 yds., 5-shot groups. Front rest with bag, rear Protektor bag. Leupold 36X BR scope. Picture shows 5 of 6 groups with RWS R50, which shot best.

RWS R50: 6 consecutive 5-shot groups: .36", .56", .26", .40", .41", .36". Mean group size of 6 groups: .39"; Median: .38". The 30-shot group measures .66".

Lapua Midas+: 4 consecutive 5-shot groups: .48", .60", .52", .60". Mean group size of 4 groups: .55"; Median: .56". The 20-shot group measures .86".

Eley Tenex: 1- 10-shot group: .57"; 4 consecutive 5-shot groups: .43", .66", .34", .54". Mean group size of 4 - 5-shot groups: .49"; Median: .49". The 30-shot group measures .68".

I shot the RWS groups first, the Eley last, and the wind began to come up as the day progressed. So it's possible that the Eley, in particular, might fare better in calmer conditions.

Not great groups, but I think there's probably some room for improvement with this rifle. I'm not sure I've figured out yet how best to hold it on the bags or the best action-screw torque (I had both action screws torqued to 25 in.-lbs)...and there's also the fact that I'm not the best shot from the bench. I suspect a good bench shooter could have shaved some off these groups. Not the best idea to shoot out my aiming point, I guess!
 
Got Juice? said:
This is the second time tou have mentioned this. I have 2 rifles that disagree with you. The MS model and Running boar do not have the same trigger as the UIT :)
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If the UIT is the one in your photo spread, that is probably why. You describe it as a 1967. By the 80s the match trigger had been standardized for use for all match discipline rifles. This was largely done at the behest of people like Bassham and Cooper and to compete with the Anschutz match series using the new 5018 trigger.

South Pender; You may also wish to contact Neal Stepp of International Shooter's Service in Texas regarding bedding your Walther. He is very knowledgeable from decades in the trade.
 
dryfire said:
South Pender; You may also wish to contact Neal Stepp of International Shooter's Service in Texas regarding bedding your Walther. He is very knowledgeable from decades in the trade.
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That's a good idea. I currently have Neal working on an Anschutz 5109 trigger for me, and I could ask him about the best plan for bedding a Walther. Unfortunately, his being across the border makes it pretty well impossible for me to have him do the work. I know Henry Rempel is good with Anschutzes (I had him bed a 1712 for me a while ago); I wonder whether he's done some Walthers.
 
It looks like a real consistent avg with Midas :). But the group of .26 is insane!!!! Love it!

Currently my RB has a fixed power 26x44 fine cross dot tasco scope on it. Works well for bench with 1/16 turrets, but sure is 'fun' when adjusting.

As for shooting out an aiming point. I usially shoot at my bullet hole. Picking my spot and sending the other 9 shots through the same hole (theoretically).
I have also tried a small trick when using match targets. An old trick that still works today. Set your sights up so that while holding the crosshair on the #9, the bullet strike is in 10x. So your Point of aim is on #9. But Point of impact is in 10x. I found it helped my shooting by not cluttering up the image in my scope of all my other prev shots.

I have a note on my UIT to remind me that this is how the gun is sighted in. It has helped me punch tighter groups.
 
dryfire said:
If the UIT is the one in your photo spread, that is probably why. You describe it as a 1967. By the 80s the match trigger had been standardized for use for all match discipline rifles. This was largely done at the behest of people like Bassham and Cooper and to compete with the Anschutz match series using the new 5018 trigger.

South Pender; You may also wish to contact Neal Stepp of International Shooter's Service in Texas regarding bedding your Walther. He is very knowledgeable from decades in the trade.
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I see what you mean. And I can only guess the UIT is a 67. Walther was not the best when it came to keeping their prod dates current. Very Un-German precision :)
 
Brutus said:
Once upon a time, this same rifle was available in 22 Hornet chambering.
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----I have the Running Boar in 22Hornet (also the Anschutz in 22 Running Boar) along with Walther 22 H with set triggers--and Anschutz 54 action 22H----My Walthers number 16----Love 'em all !----Bent Barrel
 
Got Juice? said:
I see what you mean. And I can only guess the UIT is a 67. Walther was not the best when it came to keeping their prod dates current. Very Un-German precision :)
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I'll second this. I contacted them re the UITe trigger and they were useless. Their final comment after several prompts was that they no longer supported that model. Earl Sheehan(Earl's Repair Service , Maine USA)was also not very forthcoming. After being away from Walther for several years, Ray McDougall responded to my post on Targettalk and Neal Stepp was helpful with advice.
 
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