Ardent
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Donald 300 yards is our client maximum if they prove up to it, and is a chip shot for any accomplished marksman. You're colouring your opinion in for me here.
Hunting Grizzly with the 45-70
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Donald 300 yards is our client maximum if they prove up to it, and is a chip shot for any accomplished marksman. You're colouring your opinion in for me here.
Never know; if the 'Patch keeps rolling I might make it further than a 1/2 hour from home hunting this year.
It's always refreshing to hear from someone who has shot and taken game that are in discussion as opposed to opinions of people who most likely haven't seen said species in the flesh.
4570 would not be my first choice as primary grizzly taker but rather a healthy back up.
Is the OP using optics or sights?
4570 would not be my first choice as primary grizzly taker but rather a healthy back up.
Is the OP using optics or sights?
I'm not going to try and give you a whippin' here..... Ardent responded with class and you edited your post with an apology...... so all good in my books... so in I will follow both of your leads.....
What I will say, is I somewhat agree with you...... because I personally prefer to hunt and get as close to my game as possible.... and I must admit there was a time, when I first joined this forum, that I "looked down" on long range hunters.....(although in many situations 300 is far from "long range").....
Spending time here taught me a few things.....
1- ethics are a personal thing.... some people consider me unethical because I bait bears..... it's pretty much the only way we see them in my neck of the woods.....
2- again, ethics are a personal thing, I wouldn't feel a sense of accomplishment in harvesting an animal at 800 yards, but it requires a ton of practice and skill.....
3- where is the line drawn?.... are the bow hunters allowed to tell all of us rifle hunters that we are unethical and should only do stick and string to make it "fair"?
I could go on and on with examples, but the reality is that we should all enjoy each other's experience and act as one group.... because there is certainly a large group that is united in telling us that none of our practices are acceptable....
Make choices that fit your personal ethics, but don't look down on others because they don't see things the way you do....
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saskgunowner101
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Well you must like the ole 45-70 a little bit then.
When I grew up and bought my first "high powered" rifle, the .45-70 marlin was the best I could afford at the local Canadian tire, back when they actually showed guns in their catalogue....... and it was dirt cheap... less than $450'with cheap scope as I recall.....
It did the job on bear and whitetail...... no doubt there..... but I have more experience now (read grey hair and 20 years), and it wouldn't be my choice now.....
saskgunowner101
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I was just ribbing ya. Bottom line I guess is use the right tool for the job.
300 yards might seem like long poke to someone back east that lives with short distances and heavy cover, or someone that only has access to a 100yd shooting range (like many posters here). THEN it would seem far. I, however, practice regularly at a 300yd shooting range. I also hunt places with little cover and often its long shot or no shot. To me 300 is a completely reasonable range if the competency is there and the shooter has done his practice. YMMV
I don't disagree with you..... but I will add that some would be very surprised at what their 300 yard group looks like vs their 100 yard group... it can be sobering..... it was for me...
bearkilr
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You (slightly) easterners sure use some weird equipment.
Edited.... but you have no idea.... lmao
We got 5 year Worth of work right now pipelining I was going to get out of it but how can a guy run away from that good of paying job
I'm a 200 yard max guy but to be honest I never tried shooting out to 300 yard but I do know lots of guys that make it look easy
One of my goals this year is to get out to 300 yards off of shooting sticks and kneeling (not with my 45-70 encore but with my other rifles )
Bin thinking of setting up my HS Percision 7mm mag for 300+ yards range hunting but that a hell of a nice rifle and I think 300 + yard is well with in the rifle capabilities
For Grizly I would use my model seven 300wsm I inherited from my uncle
I will get to see how it shoots in a couple more weeks
One of my goals this year is to get out to 300 yards off of shooting sticks and kneeling (not with my 45-70 encore but with my other rifles )
Bin thinking of setting up my HS Percision 7mm mag for 300+ yards range hunting but that a hell of a nice rifle and I think 300 + yard is well with in the rifle capabilities
For Grizly I would use my model seven 300wsm I inherited from my uncle
I will get to see how it shoots in a couple more weeks
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Ardent
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Pretty limiting to approach many of BC's wilder hunts with a limit under 300. If you bring up 300 with any experienced Sheep, or Goat hunter you'll get a shoulder shrug. Mountain Grizzly is no different. It just really isn't very far, and most hunting chamberings used in those hunts can even be sighted in there for a point blank zero / no holdovers. A .270, .300 WM or a 7mm RM amongst others can even be point blank to 350. Anything within point blank range is perfecty reasonable hunting. .45-70s admittedly need not apply.
fingers284
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I find it interesting that the guys here that 300 yrds isn't a long shot on a Grizz. are all from or hunt in the north. My old man hunted a bit with an outfitter in the NWT and in their camp there was one "law" that was strictly enforced...It didn't matter if you had a 500 jeffry or a 30-06 no grizzly shot was taken under 40 yrds or over 75...that would mean none... so much so that a German client disobeyed his guide and shot and wounded a grizz at 20 yrds at 830 in the am, by 430 that evening the hunter was on a Beaver headed back to Whitehorse airport.
The rational behind the 40-75 range limits were that at less than 40 yrds a wounded bear can be on you or your guide before a second "effective" (key word here) shot could be used. The reason that they were allowed to shoot between 40-75 was that, with a few years of observing hunters, the outfitter claimed that even with the worst case of "buck fever" he had confidence that most everybody would hit within an acceptable target area but after 75 yrds he had no concrete reassurances that everybody could do the job...kind of a 'workplace hazard assessment".
The rational behind the 40-75 range limits were that at less than 40 yrds a wounded bear can be on you or your guide before a second "effective" (key word here) shot could be used. The reason that they were allowed to shoot between 40-75 was that, with a few years of observing hunters, the outfitter claimed that even with the worst case of "buck fever" he had confidence that most everybody would hit within an acceptable target area but after 75 yrds he had no concrete reassurances that everybody could do the job...kind of a 'workplace hazard assessment".
I think the Corvette syndrome has entered the hunting world. They try and use the smallest caliber at the longest distance.
Can't be bothered to get closer, want to boast to their buddies, think they are this great long range sniper ( to many TV shows and video games)
And of course they never practise.....
Can't be bothered to get closer, want to boast to their buddies, think they are this great long range sniper ( to many TV shows and video games)
And of course they never practise.....
