Woops, mixed some powder.

The mixed powder trick, lol. Mix it up well, and use it.

I once poured about 400 grains of Norma 202 into a 2 lb container of Norma 200.

I mixed it up thoroughly, and set it aside as a unique batch of N200. It is gone now, all safely driving bullets out of my 38-55's
and my 45-70. I actually chrony'd some of the loads that I already knew the velocity with unmixed N200, and with the 255
grain Jacketed Barnes in one of my 38-55 rifles, there was only about 25 fps avg difference with the mixed powder.

As someone observed, a bunch of pistol powder in a slow burning rifle container would be a no-no, but when they are quite close
if caution is exercised, no likely issues.

Regards, Dave.
 
Get a pair of tweezers and pick the odd ones out.
I mean, how long would it take?





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If one is to be trusted on here regarding powder mishaps, me thinks
Gander has gott'r rite.
 
As someone mentioned there is likely more difference between lots of the same 4350 than there will be between the H and the IMR offerings..........shake and shoot, you'll never notice any difference in your loads at all.


There was a time in my life when I was on an obsessive quest for all knowledge as related to firearms and internal and external ballistics. During this time of "I wonder what would happen if I............." I mixed different powders to try to get different burn rates and optimize performance of different cartridges. This was well before we had the selection we have now, and I had no Norma powders available to me, except the odd pound of N205.
One case I remember clearly was mixing, in equal parts by weight, IMR 4350 and H4831. I believe this was in a 243 and I remember I pressured out with 4350 and couldn't get enough 4831 in the case. I used IMR 4350 data and worked up to a load that attained 100% load density but didn't give any more velocity than the top load of 4350...........Point being that mixing different powders of relatively close burn rates isn't the end of the world, and worst case is you keep the powder aside and use it with the faster burn rate load data for plinking or fire forming cases.
During this time I also played with extended flash tubes and duplex powder loads.............I learned a lot and I must say more than any books were willing to divulge.
 
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Both powders have the same burn rate and are essentially "the same" as far as pressure produced for a given volume of powder. Hodgdon bought IMR some time ago and standardized the powder. So IMR4350/H4350/AA4350 are the same powder made in the same plant on the same line - just different packaging.


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As someone mentioned there is likely more difference between lots of the same 4350 than there will be between the H and the IMR offerings..........shake and shoot, you'll never notice any difference in your loads at all.


There was a time in my life when I was on an obsessive quest for all knowledge as related to firearms and internal and external ballistics. During this time of "I wonder what would happen if I............." I mixed different powders to try to get different burn rates and optimize performance of different cartridges. This was well before we had the selection we have now, and I had no Norma powders available to me, except the odd pound of N205.
One case I remember clearly was mixing, in equal parts by weight, IMR 4350 and H4831. I believe this was in a 243 and I remember I pressured out with 4350 and couldn't get enough 4831 in the case. I used IMR 4350 data and worked up to a load that attained 100% load density but didn't give any more velocity than the top load of 4350...........Point being that mixing different powders of relatively close burn rates isn't the end of the world, and worst case is you keep the powder aside and use it with the faster burn rate load data for plinking or fire forming cases.
During this time I also played with extended flash tubes and duplex powder loads.............I learned a lot and I must say more than any books were willing to divulge.

I played with mixed powders once (when I had access to a pressure gun). My conclusion was that I could not improve anything. the peak pressure was still determined by the faster powder.

Conversely, I have had, from time to time, fairly large quantities of mixed powders (over 100 pounds) so I pretty well had to use it. I just did a normal work up, starting mild, and developed a load for it.

The last batch was about 50% 4895 and 50% BLC2. I is a very useful general purpose rifle powder.

The factory called me once. They had 2,000 pounds of 4895 that had been contaminated with 500 pounds of 4350. I knew I could use it, but I was not willing to pay $8.00 a pound for it. Don't write me now - that was 10 years ago.
 
I dumped a powder measure of H1000 into a full keg of H414 once. That was about 2 powder shortages ago. Anyway, after I got me heart started again and had some time to think about it I poured the whole thing through one of my wife's kitchen strainers. The ball powder fell through like rains and the coarse stick powder stayed in the screen. There was the occasional stray kernel, But enough for government work.

I admit it was dangerous; my wife may have killed me for using her strsiner in such a fashion.
 
As someone mentioned there is likely more difference between lots of the same 4350 than there will be between the H and the IMR offerings..........shake and shoot, you'll never notice any difference in your loads at all.
There was a time in my life when I was on an obsessive quest for all knowledge as related to firearms and internal and external ballistics. During this time of "I wonder what would happen if I............." I mixed different powders to try to get different burn rates and optimize performance of different cartridges. This was well before we had the selection we have now, and I had no Norma powders available to me, except the odd pound of N205.
One case I remember clearly was mixing, in equal parts by weight, IMR 4350 and H4831. I believe this was in a 243 and I remember I pressured out with 4350 and couldn't get enough 4831 in the case. I used IMR 4350 data and worked up to a load that attained 100% load density but didn't give any more velocity than the top load of 4350...........Point being that mixing different powders of relatively close burn rates isn't the end of the world, and worst case is you keep the powder aside and use it with the faster burn rate load data for plinking or fire forming cases.
During this time I also played with extended flash tubes and duplex powder loads.............I learned a lot and I must say more than any books were willing to divulge.


And this is why you are a true hand loader.
The great number of people on here who claim to be hand loaders, but do everything in strict accord with what their many loading manuals state they can do, never vary, change or experiment with any procedure, unless it is shown in black and white in a loading manual, are simply human robots trained to follow orders and by no sense of the imagination should they be termed "Hand loaders."
 
And this is why you are a true hand loader.
The great number of people on here who claim to be hand loaders, but do everything in strict accord with what their many loading manuals state they can do, never vary, change or experiment with any procedure, unless it is shown in black and white in a loading manual, are simply human robots trained to follow orders and by no sense of the imagination should they be termed "Hand loaders."

Well said.

It is like the difference between a cook (who only follows recipes) and a chef.
 
H4831 and Ganderite............Thank you both very much for the compliment, it means a great deal coming from two such experienced gentlemen, such as yourselves !!!!!!!!!

I wish I had kept detailed records of what I did back then, but alas I did not and relied on my memory way too much. I did it for my own curiosity and knowledge without ever thinking anyone else would be interested, or the thought of writing a book. Such is the single mindedness and arrogance of youth.
 
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I dumped a powder measure of H1000 into a full keg of H414 once. That was about 2 powder shortages ago. Anyway, after I got me heart started again and had some time to think about it I poured the whole thing through one of my wife's kitchen strainers. The ball powder fell through like rains and the coarse stick powder stayed in the screen. There was the occasional stray kernel, But enough for government work.

I admit it was dangerous; my wife may have killed me for using her strsiner in such a fashion.


Sometimes low tech works the best :)
 
Don't get me wrong, loading manuals are an invaluable resource for the beginner through master reloader. What they do not tell you is the whole world beyond basic charge weights for bullet/cartridge. They are the Chiltons Auto manuals of the cartridge reloading world. Once one understands the principals of volumetric efficiency, expansion ratios, powder burn rates as they relate to bullet weight and bore diameter, frictional coefficients, barrel twist rates and how they affect pressure..........and a few other basic principals of internal ballistics, one can deviate from the beaten path with relative safety.
Extended flash tubes was a very interesting experiment, which taught me a few things about internal ballistics. Without going into all the stuff involved, suffice it to say they have a certain merit.........but what a pain in the a$$. Not pushing your entire powder column of up to 100 gns, down the barrel ahead of ignition, changes the pressure curves and definitely increases velocity. Although I never did enough to prove it, it must also dramatically reduce throat wear. What it did not do, which I did expect, was to reduce peak pressure, which led me to deduce that peak pressure occurs around the time the last solids are turned to gases and it is determined by powder burn rate and quantity in a given bore size, not where it occurs in the barrel. There were a few other interesting outcomes, noticeably less muzzle flash, but perceivably more noise. This tells me that the powder is being burnt much more efficiently throughout the bullets travel down the bore, but that peak pressure occurs much closer to the muzzle. Although I was not using a heavy barreled rifle, it occurred to me that maybe I should be if I was moving the peak pressure significantly down the bore to a much thinner part of the barrel.

Anyway, there is a whole world beyond loading manuals that has not been totally explored, but that does not mean loading manuals are worthless by any means, any more than recipe books or Chilton's manuals are........they give you the solid basis for any experiments beyond where they leave off. And with out this basis, every experiment would have to start at square one...........PO Ackley takes one well beyond loading manuals but unfortunately is so out dated that although his principals and ideas are still relevant, new powders change a lot of his outcomes. But his theories and findings are still valid and very much worth knowing.

I truly wish I had more time and money when I was younger, and had this insatiable thirst for knowledge of internal and external ballistics. I may have actually discovered something new or truly different.............but alas such are the regrets of age.
 
Somewhere in my filing cabinet I have the specs and recipe for all the IMR powders. If memory serves, 4895 and 4964 are made from the same dough, only put through different size extruders.

So mix away and carry on. Same powder.
 
Somewhere in my filing cabinet I have the specs and recipe for all the IMR powders. If memory serves, 4895 and 4964 are made from the same dough, only put through different size extruders.

So mix away and carry on. Same powder.

OP mixed 4064 Gander. Probably still ok but you may want to do a quick second look?
 
I am another one of the "experimenters" from an age where we had much less info on powders, pressures and interior ballistics.
We tried some silly things, and some much saner, but became wiser in the process.
I did the same thing as Dogleg once, only it was H5010 and H870 that got mixed. A sieve made it relatively easy to separate.
Obviously, the spirit of a sound mind should prevail, but this can be carried to extremes and paranoia is the result. :)
Nice to see so many positive comment on this thread. Ganderite, H4831, c-fbmi, and a couple of other experienced, true,
"handloaders" your comments are always enjoyed immensely. D.
 
Interesting thread. I often wonder about powder even when it doesn't get mixed. Like how long it can stay in the hopper or trickler.
 
Interesting thread. I often wonder about powder even when it doesn't get mixed. Like how long it can stay in the hopper or trickler.

I use it as long as it doesn't go rancid. It's organic so your nose will tell you when that sweet smell is gone.

Within reason of course and don't forget to label it carefully so you remember what it is.

If you forget using it later is like picking wild mushrooms. You'd better know what you're doing!
 
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