12-6,7 guns, what to look for

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My father has his 12-6 for my Grandfather's Belgian .32. The idea is to pass it on to me legally. He doesn't want to transfer it over before his death and give up his 12-6. It would be nice for me to have my 12-7 in place before that happens, and before Trudeau makes changes. He still might make it impossible, but while it is still a legal route we are thinking to buy a 12-6(7) compliant gun to transfer over to me and have my 12-7 in place when the time comes.
I know nothing about guns from that era so I'm looking for advice on what might be an interesting gun to look to purchase.
I collect WW2 era military rifles so something in that genre would be interesting to me. Baby Brownings I kinda like, are they 12-7 compliant? I'm looking for suggestions as Googling 12-7 compliant pistols hasn't really been fruitful.
If we're going this route it would be nice to get something interesting and not just a licensing placeholder.
Thanks!
 
OntarioTim said:
Almost any 12(6) pistol made before 1946 is qualified for 12(7). If you are into WW2 collecting then I might suggest a short barrelled Luger or a Walther PPK.
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My understanding in 12-7 is caliber specific as well, I didn't think 9mm was covered... I'll read it again.

Edit 12-6 is caliber specific so only .25 and .32 are in play, so PPK is possible, baby Luger but they're quite rare
Edit again, barrel length limited to 105mm (4.14in) so baby Browning is out
 
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From the RCMP webpage

If a person is not grandfathered, the only prohibited firearms they may possess or acquire are handguns with a barrel length of 105 mm or less or that discharge .25 or .32 calibre ammunition, and only if all of the following criteria are met:

- the handgun was made before 1946, and
- the handgun was registered in Canada on December 1, 1998, and
- the individual is the child, grandchild, brother, sister or spouse of the lawful owner, and
- the individual is acquiring it for an approved purpose such as target shooting or as part of a collection.

Under these circumstances, the individual can lawfully acquire and possess the handgun in question, but they are not grandfathered or authorized to acquire more prohibited handguns.

Your father will be able to pass any 12(6) down to you but even when you have 12(7) you won't be able to acquire anymore. If you decide to try to collect WW2 pistols you may want your father to get as many as possible now. Unfortunately verifying a firearm was manufactured before 1946 can sometimes be a challenge. Best to do the research before purchasing.
 
PinkyPlinker said:
My understanding in 12-7 is caliber specific as well, I didn't think 9mm was covered... I'll read it again.

Edit 12-6 is caliber specific so only .25 and .32 are in play, so PPK is possible
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It is not caliber specific. Any pistol with a barrel less than 105mm is prohibited. There are 12(6) 9mm Lugers that would qualify for 12(7) as well as Enfield revolvers in .38 S&W, etc.
 
armycat said:
It is not caliber specific. Any pistol with a barrel less than 105mm is prohibited. There are 12(6) 9mm Lugers that would qualify for 12(7) as well as Enfield revolvers in .38 S&W, etc.
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Yes, if my father already owns it. He can only acquire .25 and .32, barrel length less than 105mm, from the RCMP page, as I read it

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handguns with a barrel length of 105 mm (about 4.14 inches) or less, or that discharge .25 or .32 calibre ammunition (These are currently shown on a firearms licence as 12(6) firearms. On licences issued after April 10, 2005, they will be shown as 12(6.1) firearms).
 
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Prohibited pistols have a barrel less than 105mm OR are .25 or .32

From the criminal code.

prohibited firearm means
(a) a handgun that
(i) has a barrel equal to or less than 105 mm in length, or
(ii) is designed or adapted to discharge a 25 or 32 calibre cartridge,
but does not include any such handgun that is prescribed, where the handgun is for use in international sporting competitions governed by the rules of the International Shooting Union,

So if you had a Walther PPK in .32 ACP and had a new barrel installed that was longer than 105mm it would remain Prohibited because it discharges a 32 caliber cartridge. If you rebarrelled it with a barrel longer than 105mm and changed the caliber to .380 it could be reclassified as restricted.
 
It's not really THAT confusing. Any pistol with a barrel less than 105mm, OR, chambered in 25 or 32 is classed as prohibited. If your father has a 12(6) license he can buy them all day long. If it is older than 1946 he can pass them down to you now or later. Apparently the RCMP does a pretty good job of verifying the date of manufacture too.
 
armycat said:
Prohibited pistols have a barrel less than 105mm OR are .25 or .32

From the criminal code.

prohibited firearm means
(a) a handgun that
(i) has a barrel equal to or less than 105 mm in length, or
(ii) is designed or adapted to discharge a 25 or 32 calibre cartridge,
but does not include any such handgun that is prescribed, where the handgun is for use in international sporting competitions governed by the rules of the International Shooting Union,

So if you had a Walther PPK in .32 ACP and had a new barrel installed that was longer than 105mm it would remain Prohibited because it discharges a 32 caliber cartridge. If you rebarrelled it with a barrel longer than 105mm and changed the caliber to .380 it could be reclassified as restricted.
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Yes, thanks. The end result is me getting 12-7 status with a gun I'd like to own, and keep that status until the time comes that my grandfather's 12-6 revolver can pass to me with as little problems as necessary. I do like the idea of a PPK.
The S&W Victory mentioned earlier I like too, I didn't know about that one so that's exactly the kind of suggestions I'm hoping for.
Whatever I do buy will remain prohibited unless I'm forced to modify it to restricted, or whatever new laws may arise before my father's death.
My grandfather's gun isn't in shootable condition so adding something that is would be nice. Lots of junk "placeholders" available but if I go this route something useable would be preferred.
 
Re: pre 1946 enfields in .38 S&W(british .38-200, all I've seen are dated), most are 5-6" barrels(not prohibited). Some Webley's had 4" barrel, but not sure of dates.
The Browning 1910 and 1910/22 may be prohib by barrel length or caliber(some are dated by serial#, or by german army stamps). The 1910 was manufactured til 70's, so u have to be knowledgable and persistent with RCMP for date. good luck
 
For 12/7 it must also be pre 1946. Caliber is not relevant. Pick out guns that you fancy (Luger, ppk, pp) have him buy them, and then transfer them to you under 12/7
 
PinkyPlinker said:
Yes, if my father already owns it. He can only acquire .25 and .32, barrel length less than 105mm, from the RCMP page, as I read it

As quoted
handguns with a barrel length of 105 mm (about 4.14 inches) or less, or that discharge .25 or .32 calibre ammunition (These are currently shown on a firearms licence as 12(6) firearms. On licences issued after April 10, 2005, they will be shown as 12(6.1) firearms).
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No, he can get any prohibs handgun with his 12 (6). He can pass on to you any prohib handgun made before 1946. Caliber/cartridge does not matter in your case. - dan
 
You are not reading the posts .
Your father can buy any handgun, any barrel length, any caliber is he is in fact 12.6
If he is only 12.7 he can't buy more.
12-6 guns are short barreled, 4 inch or under, any caliber, including 9mm.
32 or 25 caliber , barrel length does not matter.

Your father can buy more and as long as he keeps one registered to him at all time , he can pass your grandfathers gun to you at any time if he wants, now or lather, as stated , pre 1946
BUT YOU CAN"T go out and buy any yourself, because you will be 12-7, not 12.6
Got it?
 
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