Yeah, I figured as much, right now I`m thinking my setup would be the Benelli M4, Shadow 2 and X95 Tavor
As a side note my buddy has an Arial Atom - took me for a spin
0-100-0 (MPH not KMH) in 10 seconds
What a machine......
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Yeah, I figured as much, right now I`m thinking my setup would be the Benelli M4, Shadow 2 and X95 Tavor
As a side note my buddy has an Arial Atom - took me for a spin
0-100-0 (MPH not KMH) in 10 seconds
What a machine......
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Be careful Sniffer, 3 Guns really addictive
Your pistol and shotgun are fine for 3 Gun. IMHO 16" or 18" rifle barrel is the safe bet for most matches. If you go with SBR you will have a tough time with the 100 metre + targets, some of which can be 4" clays or small water bottles etc. Almost all the Boyz and girls will run an AR 15 in .223 of 5.56. And in some of the US matches the rifle distances can be 200, 300, 400 + metres out. In canada most I've seen thus far is 100 metres, though at my last IPSC rifle match the MD was talking about 300 metre COF for his next match. SBR rifles with a good operator can kick ass On the shorter rifle stages, but will struggle at distance. Also heard you will likely have probs trying to bring anything less than 16"s in the States.
As another poster suggested, best bet is to find a local match and contact the MD and ask them the questions. Each MD and range are going to have their own 3 Gun rules. Most are pretty standard but some can be range specific. Most will also take any decent holster course you have successfully completed, including club level courses. Again, different ranges and matches have different rules. In the States though some matches don't require any holster course. I personally would not recommend you doing a 3 Gun match without taking some type of holster course. It's a fast dynamic sport and once the adraline starts pumping the chance of a potentially serious mishap is amplified big time...especially with newbies.
Almost all the guys/gals you meet at a 3 Gun match will be willing to give you advice and support. We were all there at some point. So try not to overthink it to much just get out and shoot one. And when you do, take it slow and deliberate and make your shots! Accuracy is very important in 3 Gun and will often trump some speedster who blisters through the COF and has a bunch of Mikes and or + time shots.
Your pistol and shotgun are fine for 3 Gun. IMHO 16" or 18" rifle barrel is the safe bet for most matches. If you go with SBR you will have a tough time with the 100 metre + targets, some of which can be 4" clays or small water bottles etc. Almost all the Boyz and girls will run an AR 15 in .223 of 5.56. And in some of the US matches the rifle distances can be 200, 300, 400 + metres out. In canada most I've seen thus far is 100 metres, though at my last IPSC rifle match the MD was talking about 300 metre COF for his next match. SBR rifles with a good operator can kick ass On the shorter rifle stages, but will struggle at distance. Also heard you will likely have probs trying to bring anything less than 16"s in the States.
As another poster suggested, best bet is to find a local match and contact the MD and ask them the questions. Each MD and range are going to have their own 3 Gun rules. Most are pretty standard but some can be range specific. Most will also take any decent holster course you have successfully completed, including club level courses. Again, different ranges and matches have different rules. In the States though some matches don't require any holster course. I personally would not recommend you doing a 3 Gun match without taking some type of holster course. It's a fast dynamic sport and once the adraline starts pumping the chance of a potentially serious mishap is amplified big time...especially with newbies.
Almost all the guys/gals you meet at a 3 Gun match will be willing to give you advice and support. We were all there at some point. So try not to overthink it to much just get out and shoot one. And when you do, take it slow and deliberate and make your shots! Accuracy is very important in 3 Gun and will often trump some speedster who blisters through the COF and has a bunch of Mikes and or + time shots.
Be careful Sniffer, 3 Guns really addictive
Your pistol and shotgun are fine for 3 Gun. IMHO 16" or 18" rifle barrel is the safe bet for most matches. If you go with SBR you will have a tough time with the 100 metre + targets, some of which can be 4" clays or small water bottles etc. Almost all the Boyz and girls will run an AR 15 in .223 of 5.56. And in some of the US matches the rifle distances can be 200, 300, 400 + metres out. In canada most I've seen thus far is 100 metres, though at my last IPSC rifle match the MD was talking about 300 metre COF for his next match. SBR rifles with a good operator can kick ass On the shorter rifle stages, but will struggle at distance. Also heard you will likely have probs trying to bring anything less than 16"s in the States.
As another poster suggested, best bet is to find a local match and contact the MD and ask them the questions. Each MD and range are going to have their own 3 Gun rules. Most are pretty standard but some can be range specific. Most will also take any decent holster course you have successfully completed, including club level courses. Again, different ranges and matches have different rules. In the States though some matches don't require any holster course. I personally would not recommend you doing a 3 Gun match without taking some type of holster course. It's a fast dynamic sport and once the adraline starts pumping the chance of a potentially serious mishap is amplified big time...especially with newbies.
Almost all the guys/gals you meet at a 3 Gun match will be willing to give you advice and support. We were all there at some point. So try not to overthink it to much just get out and shoot one. And when you do, take it slow and deliberate and make your shots! Accuracy is very important in 3 Gun and will often trump some speedster who blisters through the COF and has a bunch of Mikes and or + time shots.
Yeah my plan is to visit a 3 gun match and take it from there
So would the X95 Tavor not work? I could buy an AR upper in 223/5.56 I guess
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If it's a 16" or 18" barrell and the rifle works for you, I say go for it. However, the shorter the barrell the more you are going to have problems with those longer range Shots....especially with a higher MOA red dot ...as many with the shorter barrell rifles tend to use. They're great on the short stuff but serious 3 Gunners tend not to use them. And with scopes most will use a 1 X 6 or 1 X 8.
Having said that I have both a 16" and an 18" rifle. The 18" has a 1 X 6 scope And the 16" has a red dot. Will use the 18" in the matches that have more challenging shots and the 16" red dot on the shorter run and gun club matches.
Having said that I have both a 16" and an 18" rifle. The 18" has a 1 X 6 scope And the 16" has a red dot. Will use the 18" in the matches that have more challenging shots and the 16" red dot on the shorter run and gun club matches.
The X95 is a NR 18 inch barrel, I haven't used it a whole lot but it seems good and much more manageable that the x39 7.5" AR
I have several scopes that are suitable (red dots, 1-6x and 1-8x)
Can you use an optic on the shotgun? I have a small RMR style red dot on the M4, I think I looked into this before and the answer was that you could but it meant you had to compete in a different class (which is fine as it`ll take a while to find my feet)
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Awesome. simply awesome
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x95 will work fine.... for your first match use what your comfortable and most safe with. Then like everyone else is saying, if you decide to get into the sport more, youll probably end up with a .223 AR as your "go to 3gun rifle"
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Sounds like you are ready to go then.
Yes, you can use an optic on a shotgun, but depending on the match rules, which again can differ Btwn clubs, the optic may put you in Open, with guys using speed loaders etc on their shotguns. Most guys don't use or need an optic on their shotguns.
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Ammo and round counts are dictated by the match. As one might assume, Big match, larger round count. Small club match, smaller round count. It's 3 gun so pistol, rifle, shot and about half the time some slugs as well. Shot size usully 7.5 or 8 lead only. Most matches also restrict use of steel core rifle rounds if they have steel or its indoors.
Whatever the listed round count is double or triple it. Sometimes they will add target arrays after published round count.
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most of the locally held ones they have here recommend
- 150 pistol
- 150 rifle
- 50-75 birdshot and 10 slugs
the match organizers usually post round counts the week of the event, i hear at one match the had a "chicken farm"..... something like 30+ targets and slugs only., so before you go make sure you know.
- 150 pistol
- 150 rifle
- 50-75 birdshot and 10 slugs
the match organizers usually post round counts the week of the event, i hear at one match the had a "chicken farm"..... something like 30+ targets and slugs only., so before you go make sure you know.
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You choke to the stage. Improved cylinder, light modified, modified and improved modified should cover just about everything you will encounter. Most times I use a skeet 2 choke which is the equivalent of a light modified.
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I love all of the tacticalish shooting sports. Never could wrap my head around 3 gun though. Every 3 gun match I have seen saw shotguns doing 90% of their shooting on targets that were suitable for rifle/pistol. Asides from he odd couple of clays tossed straight up, I don't really see why you should bother with a shot gun at all.
Maybe I am biased, but when I think of tactical shotgun, I think of shooting door locks and hinges at a range of 3 to 6 inches. Am I the only one?
Maybe I am biased, but when I think of tactical shotgun, I think of shooting door locks and hinges at a range of 3 to 6 inches. Am I the only one?
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We do that. We have a breaching door that requires the deadbolt as well as the door lock to be shot out before the door opens. You are correct though that from a purely tactical perspective, most of our shotgun targets would be just as effectively engaged with a rifle or handgun as a shotgun. The trouble is a) 3gun is a game more than a tactical training tool, b) the Ontario cfo requires steel engaged with a solid projectile to be shrouded so having birdshot targets allows stage designers a bit of freedom in not having to shroud every last piece of steel, c) shotguns are cool
Well... There are some matches/stages where some targets are engaged with pistol OR shotgun OR both. Shooters choice.
So there's that...
As far as being "tactical", whatever the **** that's supposed to mean... It's not supposed to be.
It's a game. A game that tests ones skill with three types of firearm as well as you ability to plan and exicute a stage.
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3 gun isn't supposed to be a tactical simulation. I personally think some of the skills would transfer well...but it is a sport. The 3 gun shotgun game is all about reloading, not so much the shooting. Although it's still easier to miss a ground target with a shotgun than you would think when you are racing the clock.
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Stop worrying about the ideal setup for now, and get to a match. Like you said, the season is almost over. Get one under your belt so you know what it's about and worry about your gear in the offseason when you have a better idea of what you need.
