"Dunkirk"

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Saw the movie "Dunkirk" last night. Very hard hitting and powerful movie. Highly recommend it! You could feel the despair and determination of those soldiers that were awaiting evacuation.
One thing I noticed was that several of the #1 MK3 rifles appeared to have white paint applied to their muzzles and nose caps. Were these DP rifles that were brought out of storage for the movie?
 
The movie was a low budget travesty. It was an epic event that kept Britain in the war and it appeared to be a weekend excursion in the movie. Compared to other war stories - "A Bridge Too Far", "The Longest Day", "Saving Private Ryan" and others, it was an embarrassment.

A few clips of Spitfires lazily going through the motions of aerial combat with Swiss Buchon 109's, model He 111's and Ju 87's, the longest 'dead stick' of a Spitfire ever, culminating in a beach landing and burning of a 3/4 size mock up without an engine.

Disjointed editing, poor dialogue, etc., etc. Bottom line - don't take on a vast project with half vast ideas and resources.
 
Sharps '74 said:
The movie was a low budget travesty. It was an epic event that kept Britain in the war and it appeared to be a weekend excursion in the movie. Compared to other war stories - "A Bridge Too Far", "The Longest Day", "Saving Private Ryan" and others, it was an embarrassment.

A few clips of Spitfires lazily going through the motions of aerial combat with Swiss Buchon 109's, model He 111's and Ju 87's, the longest 'dead stick' of a Spitfire ever, culminating in a beach landing and burning of a 3/4 size mock up without an engine.

Disjointed editing, poor dialogue, etc., etc. Bottom line - don't take on a vast project with half vast ideas and resources.
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Agreed......there was an entire warehouse full of the Battle of Britain BF109's for the taking. The war consultants should be fired for not taking this serious enough.
 
I rather like that they used practical effects rather then CGI. They cast 6000 extras for the beach and actually filmed at Dunkirk. Even the ships where real including the destroyer which was vintage WW2 that was towed into position for the filming. Those 109's are Spanish built actually Some of the ones from BoB haven't flown in years would probably take a lot to get them airworthy again. Even many of the action scenes inside the cockpit was done in the air in tandem seats with a giant Imax camera on the wing which was just impressive. As for the aerial combat being lazy again it was real so I'm sure they don't push those old warbirds to the limit. At least it wasn't CGI like Red Tails.

How the aeriel scenes where filmed is impressive

I found the back and forth timeline of the 3 views of the story interesting rather then just having a moment with the aircrew when over the beach you got more of a sense of their battle as with the Navy etc. Had they just used a linear timeline you would only get snippets of each at times.

Some people complained about a lack of dialogue. What would you have to say to the guy next to you at the time "This sucks"?

If was a different type of war movie and I'm still glad it wasn't a green screen masterpiece.

I think this guy also has some significant insight too.
 
Sqr said:
Agreed......there was an entire warehouse full of the Battle of Britain BF109's for the taking. The war consultants should be fired for not taking this serious enough.
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Don't agree with your comments. To me you have missed the point. The movie wasn't meant to be a grand epic but a much more personal story. I don't think you could ever get the Dunkirk evacuation correct. Most or the air battles were beyond the sight of the troops on the beach. How do you tell the story of Dunkirk in two hours and get everything right. So much confusion and different experiences depending on who you were. Personally I think they did a pretty good job. They managed to pick a number of examples of what was going on and get the message across. Yes the crowds on the beach were too small etc etc. But overall I think it was well done.
 
Well I wasnt there nor have i seen actual footage of the event. But I was underwhelmed by the movie . My perception is of a much bigger event than a single dock and a couple of ships.
 
I liked the movie overall, but everything was way too clean. A beach with hundreds of thousands of troops and equipment would look like a madhouse. Instead we see a pristine beach with a neat row of trucks parked along the seawall, and even the crates were neatly matching and laid out. The soldiers were clean shaven and looked ready for a parade. The bulk of them did not even have rifles.

The movie did not convey the levels of chaos that I would expect in such an event.

But the imagery was overall great. I wish we had an IMAX theater in this forsaken province so I could see it in that format.
 
Funny I said the exact same thing in the original thread when the movie came out , which IMO it simply blows but got attacked by all the fanboys who were trying to make the movie more than it was .

If it were to play on tv with no commercials , I would most definitely not watch it again
 
Wow, tough crowd for war movies these days!
I have heard both good and bad reviews about the movie but will give it a watch when it comes out on DVD.
 
Sqr said:
Agreed......there was an entire warehouse full of the Battle of Britain BF109's for the taking. The war consultants should be fired for not taking this serious enough.
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Ah, no there isn't. The Bf-109(s) in the movie were from that "warehouse". They were Buchons from Spain, used in the BoB movie then bought or traded for payment to the dude who organized the flying scenes in BoB. He recently put them and most of his other planes up for sale after the death of his son and the ones in the movie were the first to be rebuilt/restored to flying condition.
 
Crap..... i wanted my money back soooo many mistakes apart from the spitfire glider that seemed to fly back and forth and still shoot down a stuka and it must have been a glider for i did not see an engine when he burnt it ...if you look at the scene where the men are gathered on the dock you will see what looks like 2 springfield parade rifles with chrome bolts and barrels and plastic stocks ...why the one guy was so close to the front shot i don't know and the one ship that supposed to be under way with the anchor still out ..i will say they did capture the torpedo and sinking of the ship quite well..only good thing was they didnt make a romance out of it like the cbc did to Dieppe
 
One word sums up my feelings about this movie: Disappointing. When it eventually ends up on television, I won't bother watching it a second time. Many other better to great WW II movies out there.
 
Komodo said:
Well I wasnt there nor have i seen actual footage of the event. But I was underwhelmed by the movie . My perception is of a much bigger event than a single dock and a couple of ships.
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And you would be incorrect. The "Mole" was the only real dock at Dunkirk. The German forces had done a good job of bottling the Brits up in a place that was difficult to escape from. And there were never more than 2 shallow-draft destroyers within sight of the beach - the RN was worried that the fleet could be bombed and would be unable to repel a German cross-channel invasion. It was a Churchill decision to send only the oldest, lest-valuable destroyers to dunkirk in no more than pairs. Despite this, several destroyers were lost to bomber and u-boat attacks.

Bear in mind that before they mobilized the small boats, the brits were praying to get 10% off the beach. in the end, the got nearly 90% off - but make no mistake - those men had been written off by the high command.
 
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only good thing was they didnt make a romance out of it like the cbc did to Dieppe
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Oh snap! I had forgotten about that travesty. Or how about their casting of Justin Trudeau as the patriot Talbot Papineau in "The Great War".


Somehow, back then, the PM didn't say "Ummm... ahhhh..." after every sentence fragment. But hard jobs tend to unsettle people, I've found.
 
Claven2 said:
Oh snap! I had forgotten about that travesty. Or how about their casting of Justin Trudeau as the patriot Talbot Papineau in "The Great War".


Somehow, back then, the PM didn't say "Ummm... ahhhh..." after every sentence fragment. But hard jobs tend to unsettle people, I've found.
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I suspect that is the closest any Trudeau has got to serving in uniform.
 
grinder08 said:
Don't agree with your comments. To me you have missed the point. The movie wasn't meant to be a grand epic but a much more personal story. I don't think you could ever get the Dunkirk evacuation correct. Most or the air battles were beyond the sight of the troops on the beach. How do you tell the story of Dunkirk in two hours and get everything right. So much confusion and different experiences depending on who you were. Personally I think they did a pretty good job. They managed to pick a number of examples of what was going on and get the message across. Yes the crowds on the beach were too small etc etc. But overall I think it was well done.
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Unfortunately it's important to ensure the correct timeline props are utilized when making movies, eg "Fury". (A Real Tiger and STG44). In a flick with very little dialogue this is crucial.

It may be an attempt to trick to the IPhone crowd, but it's very important to viewers who go to the movies and observe too appreciate the effort making the film as original as possible.

This was a terrible result IMO.
 
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Claven2 said:
Oh snap! I had forgotten about that travesty. Or how about their casting of Justin Trudeau as the patriot Talbot Papineau in "The Great War".


Somehow, back then, the PM didn't say "Ummm... ahhhh..." after every sentence fragment. But hard jobs tend to unsettle people, I've found.
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He does that a lot less in French. Maybe he's more comfortable in French.
 
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