The tip is extremely sharp and the sides are angled (not sharp as bayos aren't meant to) but way better then any of my CZ858 bayos
Who is buying a Type81?
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The tip is extremely sharp and the sides are angled (not sharp as bayos aren't meant to) but way better then any of my CZ858 bayos
Yup except mine has a finished blade and real leather belt loop (not plastic)
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- East of Home, West of the Rest
No. X39 also.
Are these bayos purpose built for some ceremonial purposes, like the "Chinese Propaganda and Pride Parade" or something?
The scabbard looks like it has WAY too much "bling" on it for any tactical military use. Even the green portion reflects light like a well buffed car. Enemy snipers/spotters would simply look for the reflection, lol... can't be the real deal, folks. If it is though, then it's the dumbest and most thoughtless military bayo scabbard in history, bar none. Seriously, it looks like something made for the duty-free tourist shop and marketed as a "survival knife" on the plastic bag.
Also, $80 for this thing is friggin steep as f**k! I bought M1 Garand bayos from TradeEx for like $15-20 a piece a few years ago and they were the real deal, not some embellished Chi-Com can opener... damn!
The scabbard looks like it has WAY too much "bling" on it for any tactical military use. Even the green portion reflects light like a well buffed car. Enemy snipers/spotters would simply look for the reflection, lol... can't be the real deal, folks. If it is though, then it's the dumbest and most thoughtless military bayo scabbard in history, bar none. Seriously, it looks like something made for the duty-free tourist shop and marketed as a "survival knife" on the plastic bag.
Also, $80 for this thing is friggin steep as f**k! I bought M1 Garand bayos from TradeEx for like $15-20 a piece a few years ago and they were the real deal, not some embellished Chi-Com can opener... damn!
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Also, $80 for this thing is friggin steep as f**k! I bought M1 Garand bayos from TradeEx for like $15-20 a piece a few years ago and they were the real deal, not some embellished Chi-Com can opener... damn!
Everything was cheaper "a few years ago" in the milsurp world. What do those Garand bayo's go for these days?!
Are these bayos purpose built for some ceremonial purposes, like the "Chinese Propaganda and Pride Parade" or something?
The scabbard looks like it has WAY too much "bling" on it for any tactical military use. Even the green portion reflects light like a well buffed car. Enemy snipers/spotters would simply look for the reflection, lol... can't be the real deal, folks. If it is though, then it's the dumbest and most thoughtless military bayo scabbard in history, bar none. Seriously, it looks like something made for the duty-free tourist shop and marketed as a "survival knife" on the plastic bag.
Also, $80 for this thing is friggin steep as f**k! I bought M1 Garand bayos from TradeEx for like $15-20 a piece a few years ago and they were the real deal, not some embellished Chi-Com can opener... damn!
Ah that's super
No, seriously. My point was not to criticize your purchase, but I genuinely wish to know what kind of military "surplus" category this bayonet falls under, as it does not resemble any other bayo I've ever come across in actual function. This includes the many AK bayos out there. Maybe it's one of them super-rare ceremonial PLA bayos, kind of like the Polish chrome plated ceremonial SKS that is all bling and no actual (tactical) service purpose for the military? In that case, the $80 price tag would be fully justified. Otherwise... it looks like an commercial export "knife" made with the original bayo's specs/tooling.
I don't know, but I'd probably sell one for $80 without too much thinking, lol!
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my $30 shipped bayo arrived today, two and half weeks after i ordered it. thats pretty fast coming from that region.
identical to dilligaf so no point of posting pic. good fit and finish, pretty tight. althought i did oil the lock.
unlike Bfiles, it didnt come in a box (i didnt expect it and not a big deal to me) , just in a fitted foam.
the differences from Bfiles are, blade is lightly blacken, his is polished. the guard and lock are also lightly blacken, his are darker. the belt loop is plastic instead of leather and there is no pin in the guard.
just behind the ring is a stub that will prevent the ring from sliding over the muzzle if there isnt a corresponding grove on the muzzle. now, i heard TI said that this bayo will not fit because of the length but could this be another reason that there is no gove in the muzzles we are getting? yeah, i know the easily solution is to cut the stub.
identical to dilligaf so no point of posting pic. good fit and finish, pretty tight. althought i did oil the lock.
unlike Bfiles, it didnt come in a box (i didnt expect it and not a big deal to me) , just in a fitted foam.
the differences from Bfiles are, blade is lightly blacken, his is polished. the guard and lock are also lightly blacken, his are darker. the belt loop is plastic instead of leather and there is no pin in the guard.
just behind the ring is a stub that will prevent the ring from sliding over the muzzle if there isnt a corresponding grove on the muzzle. now, i heard TI said that this bayo will not fit because of the length but could this be another reason that there is no gove in the muzzles we are getting? yeah, i know the easily solution is to cut the stub.
Well I got my bayonet in - it's one of the $30 e-bay ones.
Some observations:
-Pommel and Hilt are investment cast ferric steel. Outer surfaces are left as-cast with evidence of where the sprue tails were removed, but all critical surfaces where the parts meet the blade, handle or lockup slot are machined. They are finished in a gloss black powder coat.
-The Blade itself looks to also be investment cast from a high nickel content steel. It's not a highly corrosion resistant stainless like 416L, it's got a higher carbon content than that and only barely will take bluing solution if abraded while exposed to bluing salts. The resultant blue was not durable and wiped off with little effort, so for all intents and purposes the blade is stainless. There are a few hints of the casting process in the fullers near the hilt. The blade was fully machined and likely heat treated. It did not appreciably bend in the vice when held 1cm from the tip and a 40 ftlbs lateral force applied. An untreated blade would likely have have bent at the hilt or blade tip. Also, the blade has a continuous tang and is both pinned and screwed to the pommel.
-The handle is NOT a thermosetting plastic (i.e. bakelite). It looks to be a more ductile plastic, likely a polypropylene variant.
-the scabbard, while well made, is also polypropylene with a vinyl leather frog. There is a stainless steel chape spring in the scabbard to retain the bayonet by friction.
This was not made to be a toy or airsoft. It's made to actually function on a real rifle and to survive a high degree of abuse. Where it's cheaply finished (i.e. surfaces left rough cast), it's in non-essential areas that don't interface with the rifle. All the areas that were machined were machined uniformly with minimal tool chatter and look to have been done in standardized fixtures.
I would suggest, that if these were not made for the PLA, they may have been made for another government entity (police, foreign gov sales, etc.). Or they might just be a more modern version of the PLA bayonet made with cost-savings in mind using less expensive and newer technologies than older bayonets. Hard to say.
Some observations:
-Pommel and Hilt are investment cast ferric steel. Outer surfaces are left as-cast with evidence of where the sprue tails were removed, but all critical surfaces where the parts meet the blade, handle or lockup slot are machined. They are finished in a gloss black powder coat.
-The Blade itself looks to also be investment cast from a high nickel content steel. It's not a highly corrosion resistant stainless like 416L, it's got a higher carbon content than that and only barely will take bluing solution if abraded while exposed to bluing salts. The resultant blue was not durable and wiped off with little effort, so for all intents and purposes the blade is stainless. There are a few hints of the casting process in the fullers near the hilt. The blade was fully machined and likely heat treated. It did not appreciably bend in the vice when held 1cm from the tip and a 40 ftlbs lateral force applied. An untreated blade would likely have have bent at the hilt or blade tip. Also, the blade has a continuous tang and is both pinned and screwed to the pommel.
-The handle is NOT a thermosetting plastic (i.e. bakelite). It looks to be a more ductile plastic, likely a polypropylene variant.
-the scabbard, while well made, is also polypropylene with a vinyl leather frog. There is a stainless steel chape spring in the scabbard to retain the bayonet by friction.
This was not made to be a toy or airsoft. It's made to actually function on a real rifle and to survive a high degree of abuse. Where it's cheaply finished (i.e. surfaces left rough cast), it's in non-essential areas that don't interface with the rifle. All the areas that were machined were machined uniformly with minimal tool chatter and look to have been done in standardized fixtures.
I would suggest, that if these were not made for the PLA, they may have been made for another government entity (police, foreign gov sales, etc.). Or they might just be a more modern version of the PLA bayonet made with cost-savings in mind using less expensive and newer technologies than older bayonets. Hard to say.
To summarize, if I may, "It's Chinese issue kit, it was built to function as a weapon, not to look good" - that about right?
Yup sounds about right
I would say that's about right. It was built to be issued to someone - it's not a cheap replica and functions in all the places where it matters.
I got my two today.. My envelope was opened and resealed by CBSA.. looks like a bunch came in the same shipment?? .. And mine was opened to see what"s up with these kitchen wares from Hong Kong...
Can't complain about these bayo's.. now if they fit?? Great buy..
Can't complain about these bayo's.. now if they fit?? Great buy..
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Hi Claven2,
My blade has a stainless finish and the edge is really dull. I cannot cut thru cardboard with ease. If I sharpen the blade, does it break the hardened surface of the blade ? I am not an expert on this so any insights will help. thx
Also, I can confirm that the hilt and pommel are cast alloy
