Rem 783 - Some Range Testing - post 18

Right in the very first post Jerry calls his gun a "prs" gun, ppl are pointing out the difference of what has work for them and what doesn't, at the end of the day his gun is just that a gun, I'm not disputing his results, but to claim that it's a prs ready rig when you've never competed or had anything to do with the sport is simply bad advice.
 
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PRS has quickly become a very expensive sport. Was carrying around $1000 worth of CF tripod really the intent of the sport? or needing a rifle that is 5 digits to play with the cool kids?

PRS has done in a few seasons what F class took a decade and that is price shooters right out of the game. Video after video shows up some of the nicest rifle kit you can imagine.. yeah, I know, I sell alot of this stuff. But like watching exotic cars, everybody wants one... precious few can afford one.

I keep hearing this thing about "you don't compete, how could you possibly know?" What is so wonderfully different about a mag fed bolt action rifle used in PRS vs all the thousands that have been used in Sniper/Tactical matches over the last several decades?

Maybe there is some magic that I don't see in the pictures and videos but they sure look like A5 style stocks to me or alot like the chassis I can sell you.

I totally get that we move up our bling as we get more and more involved in a sport.... note the Titanium receiver and ubber expensive scope that I own and compete with. BUT that is not what is truly necessary and all too often those in any sport forget that. I keep my Stevens around so that newbies can see an entry point. No, it is most certainly not fancy or pretty or blingy BUT it will get you on the podium if you LEARN HOW TO SHOOT.

And learning how to shoots first requires a shooter to get into the game.... and then be able to afford to shoot, and shoot and shoot and shoot and shoot.

a shooter with the basics I have outlined will be miles ahead with this competitive rifle under $2000 and $5000 available for extra barrels, reloading supplies, trips the range, trips to matches. How many can start at $7k then add a couple of thousand to reload, a couple more to replace the barrels consumed each season, and whatever they spend to go practise?

As I have mentioned before, the real tech that I see in PRS are those amazing bags.... AND learning how to use them so you can get stable. Sure, the rifle has to function, it has to feed, it has to be accurate enough, it has to fit you... but is the fanciest bling the only thing that works? Skill comes from hours of practise and lead sent down range.

So I haven't been to a PRS match.. yet. But the story is nothing new and the end game, not surprising.

If a sport only favors ever increasing costs to "win", that sport will get real lonely real fast.
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F-class with a half MOA x-ring at 1000 yards. Yes, equipment race with a pretty high entry fee.

PRS? Meaford Long range steel challenge, a sancioned points match had most targets two amd a half MOA. A few smaller, quite a few bigger. No tripod stages, though you could use one if you wanted.

How is PRS an equipment race?

Where are the 'ever increasing costs to win' when the rickety barricade and short time frame equalizes the quarter MOA guns with the one MOA guns?
 
I run two different bags and a bipod at most, we have put up stages that require everybody to shoot from a tripod but it was supplied, and I happen to think the barricades at our matches are very solid, but I'm biased lol
 
Seems to me that the guys who actually compete in PRS and who know what works first hand are worth listening to. Not one of them is saying you have to buy expensive stuff but they are saying a version of "new guy - stick to something with support rather than a new and unsupported model". To me their advice seems sound.
 
Shawn_338 said:
Right in the very first post Jerry calls his gun a "prs" gun, ppl are pointing out the difference of what has work for them and what doesn't, at the end of the day his gun is just that a gun, I'm not disputing his results, but to claim that it's a prs ready rig when you've never competed or had anything to do with the sport is simply bad advice.
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I did say I really like the Rem 783 ACTION... and have gone to show why.. actually more stuff to show but not near my camera.

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Except for a lack of chassis options at this time, is there anything you can see that would simply not make it applicable to this game?

I have heard alot of "don't like"... tell us what in the rifle makes it NOT WORK.

If the rifle simply cannot be used to complete the tasks at hand, then it is a failure....

Like or don't like is not an answer... work or not work IS...

Jerry
 

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Tomochan said:
Seems to me that the guys who actually compete in PRS and who know what works first hand are worth listening to. Not one of them is saying you have to buy expensive stuff but they are saying a version of "new guy - stick to something with support rather than a new and unsupported model". To me their advice seems sound.
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Ah, now we are getting somewhere... I have no problem with this point of view one bit. Like I said, I do alot of business to support the 'main' options...

The Rem 783 has little support now... no argument from me. Could it be a good choice if there were more options? I think so... and more options is simply shooters asking for it.

I think shooters can forget the number of parts they swap in their factory rigs. How much of that factory Rem 700 is left after it is put into a suitable outfit?

Jerry
 
Ok let's start with your bipod, I'd love to see you run that bipod in a match, secondly how bout the lack of adjustability in your stock, Jerry trying to sort this out with you is like fighting with a pig in the mud, you think your gaining a bit and the you realize that the pig enjoys the mud to much. I'm over this whole thing, come out shoot a match and see what it's all about or don't I don't care at this point.
 
Jerry, as someone looking to get into PRS next year this thread has been a great read. I own both a 700 and 783. I lucked out and both shoot 1/2 MOA with factory ammo. My 700 is already built for (budget) PRS but I know I want to give 6.5 creedmoor a try and it'll be the 783 that gets the new barrel. There's been a lot of negativity in this thread so I thought it was important that I chimed in.
 
Shawn_338 said:
Ok let's start with your bipod, I'd love to see you run that bipod in a match, secondly how bout the lack of adjustability in your stock, Jerry trying to sort this out with you is like fighting with a pig in the mud, you think your gaining a bit and the you realize that the pig enjoys the mud to much. I'm over this whole thing, come out shoot a match and see what it's all about or don't I don't care at this point.
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Shawn_338, I am sorry, didn't mean to include my MPOD... that is not suitable for this type of game. I use it for testing... I was just refering to the action and rifle set up.

Now if there were stages where you only shot prone from one position like a skill stage 1, it could be useful... I have a foldy bipod that I would be using.

Yes, the stock is static... would have been better if the Boyds adjustable stock had come out but oh well.... If a person wanted to get the adjustable stock version, they are possible.

however, it does fit me nicely... I will be trying all of this out at a match or two... let's see what time allows.

Lots to learn about positional stuff.... I look forward to it.

Jerry
 
Rodder said:
Jerry, as someone looking to get into PRS next year this thread has been a great read. I own both a 700 and 783. I lucked out and both shoot 1/2 MOA with factory ammo. My 700 is already built for (budget) PRS but I know I want to give 6.5 creedmoor a try and it'll be the 783 that gets the new barrel. There's been a lot of negativity in this thread so I thought it was important that I chimed in.
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Thanks for your feedback. The key is to get out and just have some fun. There is a great bunch of guys/gals in ON.

If you need some tips to set up the Rem 783 or if you need some stuff, just let me know.

Options are limited at this time but more demand... eventually, more parts.

Jerry
 
After shooting LR with some customers earlier in the week, I wanted to see how the rifle would return to zero.

Was a bit gusty but velocity was light.

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Very happy the cold dirty bore was right in the group... then I tried to shoot fast. Ooops went way high... then back into the group area. Didn't bother holding for wind. Just wanted to see how well I could get back on target and shoot. Now I am far more stable with my MPOD then a "harris" so I will have to learn new skills.

As I have mentioned, the bolts from my rifles interchange so thought I would see how well it shot.

The lower group was another 5rds fired fast but with the other bolt. Apparently, it will work just fine.. fired cases ejected looking no different then with the original bolt. No change in trigger pull or function. Having a spare bolt is good insurance.

Jerry
 

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PSA to prospective customers: any respected gunsmith will tell you that it's very dangerous practice to do what Jerry is commenting on above without understanding what the exact headspace is with each bolt. Remember, you are dealing with a controlled explosion happening right by your face whenever you pull the trigger.

Although it may have worked out for Jerry, that is a sample size of two which is statistically insignificant. This can result in a very bad outcome if you are not as lucky as Jerry.

Remington is not a company known for tight tolerances, buying an extra bolt for "good insurance" is very inadvisable if you value your health. Firing pins and ejectors are very easy to swap out, you can even do it in the field with little to no tools.
 
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As if someone would interchange a bolt without running a headspace gauge, it's obvious Jerry has run a headspace gauge before running a new bolt, just forgot to mention in post.
You guys bring nothing good by complaining instead of contributing.
Instead why not just post : don't forget to check headspace guys before running a new bolt?

I for one like to see the progress of the rem 783, although i wouldn't own one for lack of aftermarket support.
I like to see the 783 as the "savage style remington". I already own a savage, run of the mill barrelled action and am able to get sub 1/2 moa, which shows the quick change barrel system ain't that bad
 
Mystic Precision said:
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This blurry image actually shows up the contact area on the bolt body better. As indicated by the screwdriver, note the wear in the finish on the bolt body. I have not shimmed or modified the bolt body here in any way. I have not touched the rear bridge surface in any way. This is simply how the bolt locks up.

Except for polishing a number of sharp surface in the action raceway, I have done ZIP to the action.

Here is an interesting quirk... the receivers have serial numbers that are around 30,000 apart. I don't know if that actually means number of rifles but they are most certainly not sequential.

The entire bolts interchange!!! Yep, I can swap bolts and the headspace is within 1 to 2 thou. Operation is the same. Triggers works. I would love to see if other Rem 783 SA's can swap the entire bolt. The brass will interchange between barreled actions.

As I have said, the new KY plant is doing a whole lot of things right. There has been some serious investment in tooling and machinery. Hard to imagine, this much effort applied to just another "entry level rifle". I sure hope this is a sign of very positive things to come from big Green.

Jerry
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I wonder if I took the time to check the headspace???..... You guys crack me up sometimes....

But just so EVERYONE knows... always check and confirm fitment of any part for proper and safe operation. Use proper gauges and/or seek professional help.

Definitely safety first...

Jerry

PS.. due to the cost, not commonly done these days but PT&G still makes complete bolts and reamers so that bolt swaps can be done. Sometimes to have a better fit in the receiver, or a new bolt face, or a different firing pin hole or just to add some bling with fluted or prettier bolt bodies. Again, not commonly done today with so many great custom actions to choose from but it was a thing.... and this type of work was done by the better gunsmiths in the business.

http://pacifictoolandgauge.com/rece...98-remington-gen-ii-type-reciever-reamer.html

http://pacifictoolandgauge.com/remi...-s-receiver-blueprinting-kit-for-rem-700.html

http://pacifictoolandgauge.com/105-remington-700-1-piece-bolts
 
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If PTG cant make their bolts any better then they do their reamers i wouldnt waste my money one. Dave Kiff's quality control is about as good as wholesales gun counter service but thats a whole different post right there..hahaha
Glad to hear you did check the head space before you tried it Jerry.
 
Your prior posts were misleading and ignorant. I said my piece and I finally decided to brush it off and stop posting in this thread. What you are posting now is just down right dangerous and negligent.

You are implying that people can swap bolts - so people will be buying bolts as "backups for good insurance", thinking it's safe to do so. Just because you found two bolts that you deemed in acceptable tolerance, doesn't mean that all 783 bolts are going to be interchangeable. You are using this as a selling feature of the 783, so that you can sell more of these builds.

With a sample of size of a total of 2 bolts, you can't make the assumption that all bolts are going to be interchangeable. It doesn't take a statistician to figure that out.

Quite frankly I'm amazed that someone who puts "builds" together posted something like this. And pretty scary.
 
kthomas said:
Your prior posts were misleading and ignorant. I said my piece and I finally decided to brush it off and stop posting in this thread. What you are posting now is just down right dangerous and negligent.

You are implying that people can swap bolts - so people will be buying bolts as "backups for good insurance", thinking it's safe to do so. Just because you found two bolts that you deemed in acceptable tolerance, doesn't mean that all 783 bolts are going to be interchangeable. You are using this as a selling feature of the 783, so that you can sell more of these builds.

With a sample of size of a total of 2 bolts, you can't make the assumption that all bolts are going to be interchangeable. It doesn't take a statistician to figure that out.

Quite frankly I'm amazed that someone who puts "builds" together posted something like this. And pretty scary.
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I have never said all parts interchange... If you want to take that as an endorsement that all parts interchange, then that is too bad.

You do realise I mentioned I wanted to check the fitment of more bolts.... Dude, I am not trying to get people hurt. You seem to think wrong about anything and everything.

I have stated a fact... I have not stated that all parts will interchange. You are making assumptions and extending to some destructive end.

I completely understand your concern and I would be remiss if I said ALL parts interchange.... I have not.

I AM however very impressed that the parts I have DO interchange. I look forward to testing fitment from other actions I come across.

Jerry

PS... I don't sell Rem 783 rifles... sorry, no evil plot to take over the world....
 
furtaker said:
If PTG cant make their bolts any better then they do their reamers i wouldnt waste my money one. Dave Kiff's quality control is about as good as wholesales gun counter service but thats a whole different post right there..hahaha
Glad to hear you did check the head space before you tried it Jerry.
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Not my first rodeo... but I appreciate your concern....

Jerry
 
And here is another post to entertain ... and/or Annoy :)

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The action has this very interesting notch.. as pointed to. Whether by luck or design, it so happens to be in the right location for the front lip of an AICS mag. I have checked Accurate mag 5 and 10 rds steel and of course the MDT polymer mags. That notch acts as a very effective stop and doesn't allow the mag into the raceway hanging up the bolt.

May not seem like a big deal until you apply force on a mag. I can rest the rifle on the mag and the bolt doesn't hang up. I have pushed it against a table... no problem. Should come in useful for those barricade stages.

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As a follow up on a request, here is the trigger unit. Apparently, taken from the Marlin XL/XS, cannot confirm nor deny?????

I appreciate that it is bolted to the action. Would make for an easier trigger swap if something were to happen. Obviously, care would need to be taken to ensure the bolts don't back out... but so far, they show no signs of loosening and remain tight. Adjustable for pull weight. Trigger cannot be "tripped" like the Accutrigger.... I really like that.

I will enjoy using this rifle...

Jerry
 
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