M+M M10x FRT 153447

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How about everyone just stop getting suckered into this pre-sale crap and just wait for rifles to hit the shelf. If you handle it and like it and also like the price then buy it.... I'm definitely not going to pre-order something when I've only read a couple internet reviews and the manufacturer seems to be playing games.

Well, unfortunately this time your decision means no rifle inbound for you, and a potentially higher price the next time they are made available. All things considered, I am pleased with how my pre-order worked out. I will take my chances on the M10X sight unseen, based on plenty of reliable reviews. Not much of a risk by my reckoning...
 
I think at between $1600-1700 it will still sell like hotcakes.

Now we just need to find out how to get bakelite mags
 
Whats a price pimp?

Someone with more disposable income than you?

Someone who arrives at pricing decisions based on feels rather than objective analysis. Purchasing a 2k firearm that's worth 2k is good. Purchasing a 2k firearm that's worth 1k... not so much.
 
Someone who arrives at pricing decisions based on feels rather than objective analysis. Purchasing a 2k firearm that's worth 2k is good. Purchasing a 2k firearm that's worth 1k... not so much.

"Worth"? By definition "worth" is subjective - "the value equivalent to that of someone or something under consideration; the level at which someone or something deserves to be valued or rated".
 
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What is "worth"? By definition "worth" is subjective - "the value equivalent to that of someone or something under consideration; the level at which someone or something deserves to be valued or rated".

Subjective, unless precedent exists both in the directly comparable space (the US MSRP / model and no difference in manufacturing process) and in a non-direct comparable space (ie. similar platforms that are NR). Market forces can #### with either of these but it's still relatively easy to peg a hypothesis re: fair pricing.
 
Someone who arrives at pricing decisions based on feels rather than objective analysis. Purchasing a 2k firearm that's worth 2k is good. Purchasing a 2k firearm that's worth 1k... not so much.

So who decides that the $2k firearm is only worth $1K? Wait, let me guess - a "Price Prostitute"?!?
 
Someone who arrives at pricing decisions based on feels rather than objective analysis. Purchasing a 2k firearm that's worth 2k is good. Purchasing a 2k firearm that's worth 1k... not so much.

A good example was the $300 T97 for $1000

In fact, there are a lot of similarities between this rifle and that one.
 
Subjective, unless precedent exists both in the directly comparable space (the US MSRP / model and no difference in manufacturing process) and in a non-direct comparable space (ie. similar platforms that are NR). Market forces can #### with either of these but it's still relatively easy to peg a hypothesis re: fair pricing.

Here's the thing. As "Worth" is subjective it still has the influence. It's a simple math. You can sell X rifles for $1500 with profit X*P, or you can sell X-Y (less) rifles for (more) profit (X-Y)*(P+Q). Which one is bigger - X*P or (X-Y)*(P+Q). And you have you business decision. Nothing personal fellow Canadians but if you CAN eat NR tax, you will. If you can't, we will talk another price.

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Supply and demand graph: The downward sloping demand curve reflects the fact that as price increases, consumers willing to purchase less of the good or service.
 
Here's the thing. As "Worth" is subjective it still has the influence. It's a simple math. You can sell X rifles for $1500 with profit X*P, or you can sell X-Y (less) rifles for (more) profit (X-Y)*(P+Q). Which one is bigger - X*P or (X-Y)*(P+Q). And you have you business decision. Nothing personal fellow Canadians but if you CAN eat NR tax, you will. If you can't, we will talk another price.

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Supply and demand graph: The downward sloping demand curve reflects the fact that as price increases, consumers willing to purchase less of the good or service.

Unfortunately you are correct re: what the market will bear. Too bad it's an arbitrary inconvenience that affects me (and CGNers) personally..
 
Here's the thing. As "Worth" is subjective it still has the influence. It's a simple math. You can sell X rifles for $1500 with profit X*P, or you can sell X-Y (less) rifles for (more) profit (X-Y)*(P+Q). Which one is bigger - X*P or (X-Y)*(P+Q). And you have you business decision. Nothing personal fellow Canadians but if you CAN eat NR tax, you will. If you can't, we will talk another price.

supply-demand-graph.jpeg

Supply and demand graph: The downward sloping demand curve reflects the fact that as price increases, consumers willing to purchase less of the good or service.

This.

If you want to kill the NR tax then DON'T buy a rifle which is obviously marked up by about $1000.00. Otherwise, you will continue to pay more.
 
Still there will be ppl willing to pay $2000, and $2500 and even $3000. It's just the number of them is lower. However as soon as it brings sufficient profit for manufacturer and retailers they don't care. It's about to get as much $, not about to sell as many rifles as possible.
 
Still there will be ppl willing to pay $2000, and $2500 and even $3000. It's just the number of them is lower. However as soon as it brings sufficient profit for manufacturer and retailers they don't care. It's about to get as much $, not about to sell as many rifles as possible.

Thanks for the microeconomics class. Next teach us about collusion and price fixing, because that's what is really going on here.
 
Our market isn't huge, if importers bring in lots, price will drop, only so many people interested in these sorts of rifles here. The first ones in usually get hosed in the long run.
The POS T97 was super-noob hyped beyond belief at $1100 initially..."better then a Tavor at half the price" was the super-noob message of the day.
Within a year, our dollar dropped 30%, and the price of these miraculously dropped to around $700 today for one of these.
Now I know "Made in China" means these only cost the importers peanuts per unit, but the current price shows the market has minimal interest once hype wears off. If you factor in the dollar drop, the rifles are basically retailing for HALF the initial landed price and the importer AND dealers still make $$$ on them, and nobody is buying them.
 
Thanks for the microeconomics class. Next teach us about collusion and price fixing, because that's what is really going on here.

They couldn't price fix anything if the government wasn't involved in deciding which guns are too scary looking for you to own...

If AK's were classified the way they way they should be, dealers would be trying to hold down the price, not inflate it.
 
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