Savage mk II or CZ 455
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There is currently an Amnesty Order in effect to protect you from criminal charges due to this situation, so long as you are taking steps to get your license
http://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2/2017/2017-05-31/html/sor-dors87-eng.php
Not sure what stage of the process you're at, or how long ago you submitted the renewal, but I suggest calling the RCMP to ensure they're on top of getting your application processed. I put my renewal in well before my expiry date, but after much time (waaay longer than the 45 days they say to process a renewal) and the expiration of my license... the site just said "In Progress". I finally called to see what was going on... and next day check online and I'm "Approved" with license in the mail....
I do agree, nobody should have to face criminal charges for simple possession of legally acquired arms due to license expiry. I can put up with not being allowed to take the firearms out of your dwelling to hunt or target shoot without a valid license (like you can't drive your car without a license), but criminalizing mere possession is just plain wrong.
Mumbles Marble Mouth
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- Lower Mainland
Id go with the CZ. I have a 455FS that makes one hole at 50.
Mumbles Marble Mouth
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Lower Mainland
There are no barrel issues. Just an guy who bedded his gun because of unsatisfactory accuracy results even though we all warned him it would void his warranty. He did it anyways and it did nothing to improve the accuracy so then he gets an aftermarket barrel that again didn't do #### either. He then tries to get CZ to warranty it and surprise surprise, they don't. Now he goes around CGN here making a big stick about it. Comments in every CZ related thread about his BS story. He's completely butchered that poor CZ and makes it sound like its the rifle and CZUB's fault because he's butt hurt CZ wouldn't warranty a voided warranty.
Dream on, pal. You clearly didn't comprehend anything that occurred in my situation, despite my attempts to explain it in simple terms to you. Guy at the warranty center said he thought my bedding turned out pretty well, they weren't concerned about it at all. CZUB does not consider their crappy barrel machining to qualify as "defects", and that's all there was to it. Service at this warranty center hasn't been the greatest, you can find threads here with many unhappy campers complaining about them. CZ is looking for a new warranty center, but it has come out that they don't properly support our warranty centers in Canada, real trouble getting parts in. Many others have reported bad crowns on CZ barrels and those with borescopes can confirm they frequently see bad chambers, people in the USA have complained about the exact same chamber defects I had to CZ-USA, they would not replace barrels there either (and those US folks didn't bed their rifles, so you can stop trying to make it sound like I "voided my warranty", bedding had nothing to do with the situation).
If there are no barrel issues, what do you say about this crown?
Dream on, pal. You clearly didn't comprehend anything that occurred in my situation, despite my attempts to explain it in simple terms to you. Guy at the warranty center said he thought my bedding turned out pretty well, they weren't concerned about it at all. CZUB does not consider their crappy barrel machining to qualify as "defects", and that's all there was to it. Service at this warranty center hasn't been the greatest, you can find threads here with many unhappy campers complaining about them. CZ is looking for a new warranty center, but it has come out that they don't properly support our warranty centers in Canada, real trouble getting parts in. Many others have reported bad crowns on CZ barrels and those with borescopes can confirm they frequently see bad chambers, people in the USA have complained about the exact same chamber defects I had to CZ-USA, they would not replace barrels there either (and those US folks didn't bed their rifles, so you can stop trying to make it sound like I "voided my warranty", bedding had nothing to do with the situation).
If there are no barrel issues, what do you say about this crown?
That barrel was made on Friday just 10minutes before closing time... OR it was made on Monday morning first run & after a drinking bender weekend with a bad hangover....
If there is one thing the Czechs do well, it is brew a damn fine Pilsner... And who can blame them for excessive revelry with women like this...
As far as making firearms... them Czech boys got some learnin' to do... and a little QC wouldn't hurt either... No excuse for these shoddy barrels getting out the door just because they spit lead (I.E, pass the "function" test).
As an investment VS is the way to go. If your price conscious a d Wil likely trade the rifle away anyway get the savage. Both are decent guns. Personally I was an VS 450 series 22lr but I bought a Norinco JW25a K98 trainer and it shoots fantastic. Had I done more research I would have bought a CZ but now that I have a nice shooting 22lr it's only longevity of the rifle that will have me replacing the Norinco. At least for now i can use CZ magazines
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I own both. I have a Savage Mark II BTVSS and a CZ 455 American. Both were purchased brand new and cost approximately the same. I have put more rounds through the Savage because I haven't had the CZ for as long. So far, the Savage has proven to be the more consistently accurate gun. I can put 5 rounds through a 3/8" hole at 50 yards. The CZ isn't far behind, but does seem to shoot a few more flyers here and there. The Savage has gotten better the more rounds I put through it, and I assume the CZ will do the same. Both guns seem to like the CCI Standard and Blazer. As far as fit and finish goes, the stock on the CZ is gorgeous flamed walnut versus the laminated Boyd's stock on the MkII which is really quite nice in it's own right. The problem with the CZ is that it's so nice, I'm a little worried about marking it up. The range I go to has really ####ty racks, and I've already had my MkII fall over onto the concrete twice. Fortunately it suffered no damage. The fit and finish on both rifles is very nice with the edge going to the CZ. Considering all the negative's I have heard regarding Savage fit & finish, bolt operation, etc. the difference between the two is minimal. I have a bipod on the MkII, and with the varmint barrel it is significantly heavier than the CZ. That might account for the difference in accuracy somewhat too.
If I had to recommend one or the other, I'd say it depends on what you were using it for. For strictly range shooting, I think the Savage is the winner, but again that's because of the barrel and increased weight. I wouldn't want to lug it around in the bush, so if that was my intent, I'd look into a MkII with a standard barrel, and solid wood stock. I'm not really a fan of the cheap plastic Savage stock.
If I had to recommend one or the other, I'd say it depends on what you were using it for. For strictly range shooting, I think the Savage is the winner, but again that's because of the barrel and increased weight. I wouldn't want to lug it around in the bush, so if that was my intent, I'd look into a MkII with a standard barrel, and solid wood stock. I'm not really a fan of the cheap plastic Savage stock.
I have a savage Mk2 FVT and FVSR. Both are extremely accurate as mentioned above I can achieve the same results... in fact more so with the short barrel.. go figure.
However, my FVSR has been nothing but headaches with extraction on anything but crappy federal champ and Winchester bulk. It has a very tight chamber and fouls easily. I have to take a Q tip with a liberal amount of lube and swab the chamber every 100 rounds at least in order to get my preferred ammo brands to eject. The problem is not unique if you google "savage Mk II tight chamber" and have fun reading hours of similar stories and tips and tricks, everything from doubling up on the clamp on the bolt, to polishing this or that. ran into a new member at the range last week very frustrated with the same issue on a brand new BTVS.
Would I buy another Savage? Probably not. I am easily jaded
However, my FVSR has been nothing but headaches with extraction on anything but crappy federal champ and Winchester bulk. It has a very tight chamber and fouls easily. I have to take a Q tip with a liberal amount of lube and swab the chamber every 100 rounds at least in order to get my preferred ammo brands to eject. The problem is not unique if you google "savage Mk II tight chamber" and have fun reading hours of similar stories and tips and tricks, everything from doubling up on the clamp on the bolt, to polishing this or that. ran into a new member at the range last week very frustrated with the same issue on a brand new BTVS.
Would I buy another Savage? Probably not. I am easily jaded
If you have not taken the bolt out and actually disassembled, I would suggest doing so:
https://youtu.be/2KCQHhEpAc8
Saw that video months ago. Been there done that. It's a chamber problem not a bolt assembly problem. I have switch bolts back and forth from my FVT and the same problem persists. but already knew that from the git go because manually feeding a round into the chamber reveals more resistance over the FVT.
Mumbles Marble Mouth
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Lower Mainland
Dream on, pal. You clearly didn't comprehend anything that occurred in my situation, despite my attempts to explain it in simple terms to you. Guy at the warranty center said he thought my bedding turned out pretty well, they weren't concerned about it at all. CZUB does not consider their crappy barrel machining to qualify as "defects", and that's all there was to it. Service at this warranty center hasn't been the greatest, you can find threads here with many unhappy campers complaining about them. CZ is looking for a new warranty center, but it has come out that they don't properly support our warranty centers in Canada, real trouble getting parts in. Many others have reported bad crowns on CZ barrels and those with borescopes can confirm they frequently see bad chambers, people in the USA have complained about the exact same chamber defects I had to CZ-USA, they would not replace barrels there either (and those US folks didn't bed their rifles, so you can stop trying to make it sound like I "voided my warranty", bedding had nothing to do with the situation).
If there are no barrel issues, what do you say about this crown?
Here you are. Still lying about the whole situation. Still badmouthing CZ. All someone has to do is read your post history to figure out you full of it.
Shooter_01
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- Durham Region, Ontario
I can’t speak to the 455 specifically, but my 452’s have been stellar performers! All have been more accurate than me. They’re keepers, for sure.
We’ve all read the RabidM4U5 story many, many times.
Good luck.
What lies, exactly? I've been pretty transparent about everything that's gone on, but I guess some people don't like the truth.
You do realize what I say is not based on a single, isolated rifle from yesteryear, but a solid body of evidence from multiple rifles? Don't understand why everyone is in denial that there are some issues going on with CZ production and quality control. Are people only allowed to post positive hype about CZ's? Is it wrong to bring a balanced perspective to the discussion that there are some quality issues to watch out for? You'd think people would appreciate a heads up
Im 67yrs old and have hunted with 22s for 50yrs. I finally got a CZ452 and would not trade it for the world. That said I also love my Marlin 39a levergun. I can shoot it all day long with that tube mag. Then again sometimes I will take my heavy Martini Cadet out because the sights are just so easy to shoot with. I started with a Cooey 64 and have had 3 1022s over the years. I have a Remington Speedmaster 552 semi that is getting a bit of work done to it and will take that out for some range time but I find I get bored with semis. The Remmy is a bit odder than most semis though. The charge handle is on the left side of the receiver and that suits me as I am left handed. I own a CZ527 in 223 and a couple of their pistols as well. I have never had a problem with any of them. Cooeys, well thats another story. The Remington is getting a cracked bolt replaced and the extractor so its had some hard use. CZs are not cheap but they are lifetime guns and an absolute delight to shoot.
