Who is buying a Type81?

fenceline said:
Wood and a longer barrel are spec issues for you? You know the lmg version has a longer barrel right?

The cz858 were converted autos. The vz58 never had the gremlins and they were purpose built semi autos. If you want to use them as a comparison.
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I had one of the first VZ58's from the first batch to Canada. A well used SHE-63 with epoxy and GREMLINS. Again you missed the point, it's fine to say it's "all military except for the fun parts" but I've experienced function issues with just such a beast.
So... are these going to be good reliable semi-auto versions, or are they going to be gremlins with the guts removed, or are they going to be REDESIGNED fire controls that are neither military spec or proven?
 
Yes the type 81 and the type 97 came from the same factory.

The type 97 had the magazine and magazine well redesigned to run a calibre the gun was never designed for.

The type 81 doesn't have that problem. So comparing the type 97 problems to what might maybe happen with the 81 is mute.

The old vz58 and cz858 variants all used surplus parts. The 81 is newly made off the existing tooling to keep from being deemed a converted auto. Even the trunnions couldn't be reused. So again apples to oranges.

Maybe just wait until they get here. The cheap throw together sample has been running fine. Don't see any reason to question the production line yet.
 
That's been my plan since these were made... wait and see how they live up to expectations.
I just have a realistic outlook on ####, and some of the crazy hype-train BS grinds my gears lol. I gotta call bull#### when I see it.
But the T81 fixed stock is definitely on my short list now....the M10X is off due to the ####show they already caused.
 
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Hitzy said:
I had one of the first VZ58's from the first batch to Canada. A well used SHE-63 with epoxy and GREMLINS. Again you missed the point, it's fine to say it's "all military except for the fun parts" but I've experienced function issues with just such a beast.
So... are these going to be good reliable semi-auto versions, or are they going to be gremlins with the guts removed, or are they going to be REDESIGNED fire controls that are neither military spec or proven?
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The gremlin was because part of the sear spring was purposefully broken off inside the VZ so that the full auto sear would not work, even if the receiver was milled out and the fa parts re-installed.

The issue is that the broken spring, or rather the space it occupied, was integral to the hammer properly resetting.

This should not be an issue with the 81.
 
Hitzy said:
Also a USGI M14 receiver had a life expectancy of 400,000 rounds 7.62NATO or something ridiculous like that. The T81 is 20,000 rounds of a smaller, lighter, lower pressure cartridge. Even if you knock off 200,000 rounds for the M305 being "Chinese" it's still 10x the life expectancy lol.
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I can't see me ever hitting 20,000 Rds, but where is that figure coming from?

I suspect the barrel would wear out around that round count - it's not interchangeable, I think.
 
Claven2 said:
I can't see me ever hitting 20,000 Rds, but where is that figure coming from?

I suspect the barrel would wear out around that round count - it's not interchangeable, I think.
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Guns and Ammo article from 2007, copied word for word here.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?175527-The-Chinese-Type-81-Information

The entire gas system plus the barrel are hard chromed, the bolt group is Parkerized, and everything else is blued. The 81's gas regulator can also be placed on a high setting when more energy is needed to cycle the weapon under adverse conditions. The 81 was built to last 20,000 rounds. It is built with the same machines that manufacture the 56 and has the same loose tolerance, hence the same level of reliability in adverse conditions.
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Claven2 said:
I can't see me ever hitting 20,000 Rds, but where is that figure coming from?

I suspect the barrel would wear out around that round count - it's not interchangeable, I think.
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If it’s mounted like an AK,pressed in a trunnions and a barrel pin,it can be changed out,not easy but can be done....likelihood of any of us wearing one out is pretty slim though.
 
I know I'm late to the party, just read the Caliber write up and found it pretty comical. Some good pictures of the rifle, not sure I'm more or less inclined to buy one sooner, or wait longer based on some of their observations.
I still have high hopes the production version will have a bit better fit/finish, better accuracy, and better reliability then the unit they tested.
Until then, I think I'll dust off one of the Russian SKS for some practice lol
 
word is the RCMP mangled the rear site on the prototype. the guy who has it now fixed it allegedly, the real test will be with optics. It's a pretty short sight radius on these guns. i would expect it to shoot a tad better than an SKS.
 
derr12 said:
word is the RCMP mangled the rear site on the prototype. the guy who has it now fixed it allegedly, the real test will be with optics. It's a pretty short sight radius on these guns. i would expect it to shoot a tad better than an SKS.
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Maybe, maybe not.

An SKS can shoot rather well if the rear tang in letting is tight. On refurbs, however, it's often a crap shoot.
 
I find magnified optics go a LONG way towards improving accuracy in most cases. I look down the sights of VZ, SKS, Mosin, SVT 40 and even in the best of configurations the front blade on those guns are like what 8" at 100yrds?? people tying to get 2" groups with an 8" front sight piifff please. Can it be done? yah of coarse, but most including me honestly cant.
 
ComradeVlad said:
I find magnified optics go a LONG way towards improving accuracy in most cases. I look down the sights of VZ, SKS, Mosin, SVT 40 and even in the best of configurations the front blade on those guns are like what 8" at 100yrds?? people tying to get 2" groups with an 8" front sight piifff please. Can it be done? yah of coarse, but most including me honestly cant.
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Even just a red dot improves potential accuracy
 
Once they are here, Kodiak or BCL or someone will make some stuff tlfor the type 81. Someone will come up with a decent optic mount that doesn't require that awful cheese grater TI is peddling, I'm sure.
 
Zab said:
Well lol that is the Chinese PLA optics setup for that rifle. It’s not like it was aftermarket pos Ti is trying to peddle
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No, it's cheese grater chinese crap. Caliber didn't even install it for their testing because it's such a POS and they had no doubts it would NOT hold zero.
 
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SKS Bitten said:
"AK47 Magazine" by Outdoors Sportsman Group which should be in the stores till November 20 2017 has a Type 81 review in 5.56x45mm. The review written by Timothy Yan who also did the Guns and Ammo article. I would scan and post the the article if it wasn't copyrighted.
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It would be better if Timothy Yan held off till he got a hold of a production model to compare to the US model.
 
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