all you wanted to know about different break action shotgun action types

tiriaq said:
The Jones action has a reputation for great strength. The barrels are pulled down against the water table hard. Not as convenient as the top snap which was more popular.
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I have noticed on my Jones underlevers that if they are worn they still lock up tight, just not on center, but as you stated, they come down tight.
A hammerless style gun with a Jones style lever has smooth lines on top and is very easy to sight with, but I much prefer a top latch system as well as it is easier for me to control the gun while opening and either catching the shells with an ejector gun or pulling them out with an extractor gun.

Cat
 
catnthehatt said:
but I much prefer a top latch system as well as it is easier for me to control the gun while opening and either catching the shells with an ejector gun or pulling them out with an extractor gun.

Cat
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You would probably enjoy an MF Ideal. In my estimation, the most ergonomic and natural opening system yet devised and nice smooth lines across the top of the action to boot.
 
Here is one I already had of the MF Ideal. You can see the opening lever at the rear of the trigger guard. You just squeeze it up towards the stock to open. Despite a decade of top lever use and 40 years of pump guns, opening this gun is just so natural.


 
catnthehatt said:
PICS?
BTW, THANKS FOR THE STICKY, tiriaq!:dancingbanana:
Cat
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canvasback said:
Here is one I already had of the MF Ideal. You can see the opening lever at the rear of the trigger guard. You just squeeze it up towards the stock to open. Despite a decade of top lever use and 40 years of pump guns, opening this gun is just so natural.


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Gorgeous!
MF stands for Manufrance I would assume?
Cat
 
I'm trying to post a schematic of the MF Ideal action. It's a scan of a catalog page from many years ago. However, for some reason I am having trouble uploading it to photobucket. Anyone got any ideas? Never had a problem with photos.

And Cat, yes, MF stands for Manufrance. I get tired of typing it all out. LOL We spend so much time with one hand wrapped around the wrist of the stock, the placement of that opening lever just works.

Ninepointer, the link to Hallowell is very useful. That is a great resource.
 
Here is the massive 10 bore W&C Scott with its patented Sherman opening lever housed in the trigger guard
Note the nickle plating , which has seen some hard use, likely i the salt marshes!
This is a very hefty 10 bore with the barrels being overly thick , even for a 10.:p
Cat

 
Cat, I haven't seen that opening system before. Does it push forward or pull back? Whatever the direction, what is is like to use?
 
canvasback said:
Cat, I haven't seen that opening system before. Does it push forward or pull back? Whatever the direction, what is is like to use?
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It's a push forward lever, pretty easy to use actually.
I t think t was used by W&C Scott on very few guns, as the W&C expert we talked to Stateside had never sen one either!
Cat
 
catnthehatt said:
I did some checking last night and this morning in my books and on the 'net, and you are very correct, the wood does not necessarily have to extend right out to the knuckle as long as the bar itself is in the wood.
I also saw another Purdey bar in wood on the James Julia site that has an unusual "Dawe action" as it is called where the lever is under the trigger guard like a Farquarson rifle. Is yours described as a Dawe action as well? The under lever on the one I saw is shaped differently, not that it matters much!:)
Cat
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I couldn't find the one on the JJulia with the Dawe action, but I don't think this would be similar. Wasn't the Dawe patent a hammerless action? The Dawe lever travels quite far when open. The photo of mine with the action open is as far forward as it goes. As far as action design this one is more similar to Purdey thumb lever style. I also have a Thomas Woodward hammerless with a push forward underlever. Much different action. Very rough shape, but the design makes for a very sleek, small action.
 
North of 58 said:
I couldn't find the one on the JJulia with the Dawe action, but I don't think this would be similar. Wasn't the Dawe patent a hammerless action? The Dawe lever travels quite far when open. The photo of mine with the action open is as far forward as it goes. As far as action design this one is more similar to Purdey thumb lever style. I also have a Thomas Woodward hammerless with a push forward underlever. Much different action. Very rough shape, but the design makes for a very sleek, small action.
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Ya know, it may be a very old posting, I just saw it when I googled "bar in wood shotguns"
Here it is.
You may very well be correct, there are so many different styles of lock ups out there it is stunning!
http://jamesdjulia.com/item/lot-1215a-unusual-purdey-bar-in-wood-hammer-shotgun-38901/
Cat
 
Thanks for the link, Cat. That's an interesting one. The JJ guys know their stuff, so I guess the Dawe was used on both hammerless and hammered shotguns. The lever does look like the Dawe drawings I've seen.
 
It’s very nice collection of shoot guns. For better shooting performance shot guns are not enough while you also need of other elements such as choke tubes, riffles and advance shooting techniques. Shooting hypnosis courses can be good way to improve clay shooting skills and learn most advanced shooting techniques.
 
dawngrant said:
It’s very nice collection of shoot guns. For better shooting performance shot guns are not enough while you also need of other elements such as choke tubes, riffles and advance shooting techniques. Shooting hypnosis courses can be good way to improve clay shooting skills and learn most advanced shooting techniques.
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This thread however is not about shooting but break action shotgun styles , nothing more
Cat
 
This thread has been dormant for too long.
Was describing this Lincolne Jeffries 10/12 ga. set to another gunnut and thought rather than send him photos would send the link instead.
Couple teasers - any guesses as to this type of action?

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Well, looks like a Jones underlever to start.....



It's funny John. I was just looking at the thread two weeks ago, before I left on my trip and thought....Hmmm, there needs to be something new on there.
 
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