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I had to shoot a dog that went blood crazy killing deer on the beach I had no Choice it was a large German Shepherd he came at me I kicked him then shot him in the head he was only 5 feet a way wen I shot him
I felt bad wen I seen the caller but had no Choice I put the dead dog I'm my cameoe and padle to one of the small Island and left the dog there so no tourists would find him then wen I got to home I cald the RCMP and reported it

I have only hunted once with dog and a hawk it was so much fun watching them work to gather
Made me realy want a hunting dog and Hawks but I'm in camp all the time so never got ether
 
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He came out to the guy that was hunting illegally in the game preserve and rather than call me he shot him.Don't know what else to say other than he shouldn't have been there hunting and I tried to get him out as fast as I could.####### and hope he gets caught !

Your story adds important information... your dog was shot by a poacher, likely trying to conceal his activities. With any luck, the police will find some evidence to his identity.
 
I love my dog more than I love most people. It's sad when they leave you and even worse when they are taken from you. I am sorry that this happened to you 88 man.


Your story adds important information... your dog was shot by a poacher, likely trying to conceal his activities. With any luck, the police will find some evidence to his identity.

This was my immediate thought when I read the article. Right away I assumed that the dog came across a poacher and that he or she killed the dog as to not be discovered hunting illegally. What a pathetic individual.
 
Adding my condolences. I have had dogs on our hunts and had them run off property. Fortunately they have all come back or been found. It makes your heart drop when one goes missing. And they get treated very well when they get back.

Again sorry for your loss.

Hope the poacher gets a little bush justice.
 
I've had several dogs show up over the years at my farm, there's a couple of groups that hunt to the south of my farm, I just tie them up get them water and food and start making calls sooner or later someone will show up and get them. Never had any dogs bother the livestock except my own and the sow he went after almost killed him.
 
... the guy that was hunting illegally in the game preserve and rather than call me he shot him...

My condolences to you. I have posted before that I developed a nasty allergy to dogs or I would still be a dog rehabilitation trainer as a hobby: I love dogs and it pains me to see such horrors posted. I really do feel for you. :bigHug:

Was the tracking collar yours or was it part of some sick game of track-and-kill?

Like any activity where a dog is being let to roam in an area that you cannot interact with them it is wise to have a way to find them. When I was rehabilitating abused and neglected hunting dogs I used to cheat by zip strapping (ty-wrap) a small, cheap two way radio onto their collar: it would allow me to give them commands from afar (often to give a soothing voice is they got scared) and also use the page button to hear the tone if they ran into the shrubs and such. I have also had to use the radio to tell the person scaring them to stop, usually "do-gooders" who crowed the dog and overwhelmed it with too much.
 
Everyone has different morals..... and I DO think there are situations where shooting a dog is acceptable........ carverk mentioned one I have encountered....... and one inhave had to deal with in the same way....... if a dog goes wild it goes wild and no amount of coaxing leashing and feeding will help...... most of us that have been around dogs know the difference......

Bottom line....... you shoot a dog for "disturbing" your hunt or because you are poaching, you are scum.......

I feel for you OP....... if anyone ne f'd with Roxie or Rem (our camp dogs), or Molly my golden, they would meet my wrath....... dogs are like family......
 
I DO think there are situations where shooting a dog is acceptable if a dog goes wild it goes wild and no amount of coaxing leashing and feeding will help
Bottom line....... you shoot a dog for "disturbing" your hunt or because you are poaching, you are scum...

I get what you are saying, but the dog was a small beagle, with a blaze orange collar
 
Sorry to hear about the loss of your dog. I always had a soft spot for hounds as my grandfather always had one or two that we hunted jacks with. Hounds are hunting dogs that know no boundaries. Hounds get lost every year, it's the way it is. A couple of hound stories that may be appropriate at this time.

I was part owner of a large hunt camp in the Huntsville area for many years. We never used dogs. But other camps did. Almost every year we would get little guests in the late evening, lost and bedraggled looking beagles usually, wearing enough electronic gear they were struggling to support it all around there necks. Two beagles showed up at the camp one evening as described above so skinny you could see every bone in there wee bodies. They were very skittish and scared when approached. One had a large #1 sprayed in orange paint each side of it the other decorated with #2. We got them inside stripped the electronic gear off them, fed them well then bedded them down on the couch beside the wood stove. They certainly did not know what to make of a soft bed with heat and a good bowel of food you could tell that. All the fellas felt sorry for the poor little beggars, all thought with certainty that they were mistreated dogs.
There basic collars had a name and address on them so I went and called the number in south western Ont. A lady took the info and said she would pass it on to her husband. Later that day the fella showed up. When he came into the camp the two dogs were sprawled out on the couch napping. At the instant they heard the mans voice they off the couch and hid behind it. That action spoke volumes and confirmed our thoughts. One of the first things the fella said is that he hoped we hadn't spoiled and ruined his prize beagles by feeding them and letting them stay where it was warm. Stated a well cared for dog doesn't hunt well. I took him into the to where the dogs were handed him the electronic collars and said your dogs are behind the couch. He pulled the dogs out as they did not come willingly, thanked us and left. I regret to this day giving that a$$hole those two dogs.

Another story: Back in the 70's I had a friend who lived in Toronto and deer hunted out of a camp that used dogs. His yearly ritual was he would go to the pound on the way out of the city and pick out a hound. They were not overly questioning in those days and it did not cost much to free a dog from the pound. He would hunt the dog for the week and just leave it in the camp area after the weeks hunt to fend for itself. He did this for years despite the protests from others. Well one year he had just bought a brand new Ford pickup. As usual he picked up a pound dog and took it to the camp. At weeks end the fellas he hunted with would not let him leave the dog. So he put it in the truck and headed home. He stopped for something to eat leaving the dog in the cab of the truck. That's when that dog extracted his revenge for himself and all the dogs before him. Upon returning from having his lunch he found that the dog had absolutely destroyed the inside of that new truck. Chewed up all the seats and backs, dash, steering wheel, etc. etc. I'll say one thing for that dog he was thorough he didn't miss anything that I could see. On the way back to Toronto he stops at my place, shows me his new truck with tears in his eyes and pleads with me to take the dog. My wife tore a strip off him that he still remembers. We found the dog and good home. And that ended his days of getting deer hounds from the pound.

Both true instances.
 
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I'm really sorry to hear about this 88 man. I hope they catch the useless piece of s*:t that did this to your pup. I hunted coyotes for quite a few years running them with hounds myself. Myself and another guy watched one time from about 300 yards out in the field as one our dogs crossed the road on a yote and a friggin idiot in a car sped up and swerved to purposely try and run her over. Thankfully he missed her and unfortunately we weren't able to get to truck and catch up to him. Fortunate for the driver we didn't catch him though.
 
Before Bear Management Units and during the inception we had major problems with dogs in northwestern Ontario . Many complaints to the MNR but all was legal . I owned a bear hunting/outfitting/guiding service for 10 years and we all , including the COs referred to these pigs as "Pork and Beaners". They'd come from North Carolina , Arkansas and Georgia with trailers filled with dogs and fully outfitted for themselves and never spend one cent in Canada aside for a bear license and back then as many licenses as someone wanted to buy .

I ran 90 baits over a very large area , worked very hard to do it and it costs a lot of money up from before the clients arrive . The dog pig pork and beaners would show up and run their dogs through any area they wanted , shoot everything and all of my work was down the drain . I tried to talk to several parties of these guys and either got laughed at or threatened . That's when the shooting started . I'd shoot every dog i saw and i shot a lot of them .

Through networking we found out who most of the bear guides and outfitters were in northwestern Ontario , contacted them and invited them to a meeting at the Airline Hotel in Thunder Bay . We though about 30 would attend . 90 showed up with some of the biggest outfitters and lodges in attendance . We thought it was a mostly local problem in the Thunder Bay area but it wasn't . These pork and bean dog pigs were showing up everywhere in northwestern Ontario and many were employing the same solution , shoot the dogs .

That evening we formed the North Western Ontario Bear Guides Association and almost instantly we aquired a measure of political power as we started getting meetings with the head of wildlife enforcement , area managers and the Minister himself . Within 6 months , before the following spring hunt the regs were changed and heavy restrictions were placed on dog hunters . Not one pork and beaner showed up after that .

Fast forward . I own a section of land and keep 10 to 12 trail cams out 12 months per year . 3 years ago a pack of 5 or 6 dogs started running and in two cases killing the deer that were feeding on my food plots . While working on a food plot one day i could hear barking and knew the dogs were about and getting closer . I hoisted the shotgun and made ready . Within seconds a deer blasted across the food plot and the dogs were in hot pursuit . I killed two and wounded one and the others scattered . I haven't seen any dogs on my property since but if i do they'll get shot .

Some will say , who could ever shoot a dog ? The answer is , me . In the first case i may have spent $15,000.00 to $20,000.00 before my clients ever arrived only to thave the Arkansas pigs show up and by using their dogs kill every bear within miles . In the second case proper food plotting is hard work and expensive , maybe $5,000.00 for every deer harvested on my land and i do it to selectively harvest and not shred and kill for fun like a pack of dogs will .

A single dog , no problem but dogs running in packs like coyotes or wolves , now we have a problem . In the case of OP , his single dog on my land , i'd see if i could identify it by tags or radio collar and get it back to the owner . If it was 3 dogs on the hunt it would be 3 dead dogs and a smashed radio collar .
 
I killed a dog out of a pair that were killing a doe in front of my house. Got a bullet into the other, it had a collar, as it hughtailed it out of there. The doe limped 200 yards into the woods.
No problem with guys running dogs but when they go onto private property and disturb/harrass/kill wildlife they should be shot. People spend money on private land/leases only to have the fruits of their hard work ruined by trespassing dogs and/or the goofs trying to catch them. What makes that ok?
 
I hunt in Algonquin park and have since 1988 and never a prob ! I've had locals pic my dogs up thinking they were lost and they were 1/2 km from camp on their way home. The idiot that did this was poaching in a game preserve where no firearms were permitted period and the dog was on it's way back to camp not running anything ! If anyone would shoot a dog just because as this is the case they need every bit of the law put to them ! I believe it was shot to hide the fact the person was hunting illegally and didn't want us finding the dog until he or she was out of the area.
 
I'd shoot every dog i saw and i shot a lot of them.

I killed a dog out of a pair that were killing a doe in front of my house.

For those speaking about killing wild dogs, dogs uncared for and left to run in packs killing animals wantonly and those destroying property: I don't believe the OP doesn't understand your concerns or was doing anything you describe.

Please, however, have some compassion for someone who basically had their pet murdered to cover up a crime:

I believe it was shot to hide the fact the person was hunting illegally and didn't want us finding the dog until he or she was out of the area.

If your Lab/Bichon/Poodle/hound/Boxer/Springer/whatever in your house was beaten to death by a criminal who committed an illegal break-and-enter into your house to silence it, to keep the neighbors from coming while the criminal planned to steal your stuff... how would you feel?

Would you go John Wick on them? Or at least feel like it? Look down at the pet beside you now and ask yourself, "How would I feel if he/she was murdered to cover a crime?"

To 88 man: again, we need to have the b@stard who did this pay for the crime.
 
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