Modern varmint vs bushmaster acr ?

[cr5]

If money were not an issues, I think I would go with the modern varmint / hunter.

It definitely has better support from the manufacturer.
I do love my ACR though, if only bushmaster would start supporting it better.

Im so glad I got my Herron Conversion ACR for 1750... hahahahhaah

You're not the only one who found a great deal on an ACR. My first one had a custom 12 inch barrel and a Giessele trigger in it for $2200. Sold the stripped barrel for $500 and bought my first of four non restricted 223 barrels with the money. I'm down to one stainless 223 Questar barrel and my custom made stainless 300BLK conversion (McGowan blank ).

 

[DILLIGAF]

Aftermarket supports the ACR, I was able to get everything I wanted without issue.

The ACR is far from front heavy. The APC556 wins in that department hands down. One of the reasons why I got rid of it.

 

[cr5]

Aftermarket supports the ACR, I was able to get everything I wanted without issue.

The ACR is far from front heavy. The APC556 wins in that department hands down. One of the reasons why I got rid of it.

Yup, the ACR isn't that front heavy if you pick the right barrel for it. You would have liked my first NR barrel. Herron Arms pencil barrel, was so light but accuracy seemed to suffer because of it, about 2 moa was the best I could get even with handloads. My 300BLK conversion will do about 0.85 moa from the bench with my handloads

 

[jiffx2781]

Aftermarket supports the ACR, I was able to get everything I wanted without issue.

The ACR is far from front heavy. The APC556 wins in that department hands down. One of the reasons why I got rid of it.

I never laid hands on the APC and have no intention of doing so. Agreed the ACR isn't TERRIBLY front heavy. Not near as bad as the XCR but it will never be as good in this department as my MV. DI system combined with the lightweight barrel profile and the slim, lightweight Fortis handguard. It's a dream to handle.

I will say that the ACR has proven itself in the reliability and durability end of things. Only time will tell with the MV.

 

[DILLIGAF]

I never tried a MV yet so I cant comment unfortunately. All I know is my ACR fully set up with Scout light, Side folder, RPM Hand guard, T2 and sling comes in at 9.2lbs witch is pretty reasonable for a 18.5 NR rifle.

I did find the long barrel a PITA on course and might start training with the wifes X95 instead. But that rifle is 9.9 Lbs but feels lighter due the the compact size.

Hopefully I can meetup with someone that has a MV one of these days.

 

[xdmer]

Yup, I understand that.

By the time someone has an equally comparable QUALITY NR barrel made and installed on the ACR the MV is actually the more affordable of the two.

Not bashing the ACR here (I don't own one but have been able to occasionally use one) but, you still have a plastic, bulky, more front heavy, piston driven, factory unsupported, somewhat un-customizeable more expensive toy. Don't get me wrong, the ACR is a nice gun but not nice enough to make me trade my MV for one.

 

[jiffx2781]

I never tried a MV yet so I cant comment unfortunately......

......Hopefully I can meetup with someone that has a MV one of these days.

If you weren't so damn far away from Onterrible I'd let you put a few rounds through mine. I think you'd be impressed. I'm not saying it's the greatest thing since sliced bread as I've only put a little over 200 through it. Time will tell.

But it functions like an AR, feels like an AR, balances like an AR, is almost as customizable as an AR and has none of the bulls#it to go along with an AR. I guess if you like a good AR you should like the MV. My biggest gripe is that you're limited to using only the Timney triggers. Nothing wrong with the Timney's but people do like to change things.

 

[C18cz858]

I used to not like my acr but now I love it

 

[cr5]

Can't really go wrong with either if you set it up the way it should be for the type of shooting you plan to do.

 

[Gundoggy]

If people worried about weight vs. accuracy, why not have Herron's make a barrel that follows the M4 contours of the stock barrel but at 18.5" with built in flash hider?? All the NR ACR's I've seen either have been skinny pencil barrel or fat HBAR profile.

 

[Boomer686]

Have not tried a MV but I do love my ACR. Shoots well (farthest with it for me at this point is 600m with factory ammo) , light enough for what I do and so far has eaten, fired and ejected everything I could ram into it. I'm hoping to really determine its accuracy capabilities when I work up a good load for it.

 

[Battleworn]

That's always a good start.

It's called a reaction rod. No big deal. Geissele makes a nice one. You can order through Brownell's. $99. You can use it when working on your ar's as well instead of using the upper receiver vice block.

https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-...l-tools/ar-15-m16-reaction-rod-prod55168.aspx

Nothing complicated about working on the MV. I've had mine torn apart and back together again a couple times to make some changes. A few little proprietary differences between the MV and an AR but the same principles apply. Nothing to be scared of.

Just wondering what you were doing while changing the muzzle brake that would cause the barrel nut to come loose? Last time I checked the barrel extension is pinned preventing any rotation of the barrel that could transfer into rotation of the barrel nut causing it to loosen. No need to have a wrench on the barrel nut while changing the muzzle brake either. Just curious as to what went wrong here.

How did I not find this before!! Thank you! Just ordered one

 

[cr5]

My ACR with the 300BLK barrel and fake suppressor
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The way my first one showed up with the 12 inch barrel from Bits of Pieces. No I do not have a magazine addiction, that's not even half of them
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[DILLIGAF]

Did we just have a civil discussion about the MV and ACR I guess there is hope after all on this forum.

 

[jiffx2781]

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Lookin' good.

 

[jiffx2781]

Just a couple minor changes. Fortis muzzle brake, Phase 5 ejection port cover, Elftmann Tactical cross bolt safety, Timney CE trigger

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[cr5]

Lookin' good.

Thanks, I'll also note that it has a non restricted barrel and the shroud comes back over the barrel so it looks short but is actually still 18.6".

Did we just have a civil discussion about the MV and ACR I guess there is hope after all on this forum.

Lol, lately all the controversy is over x39 bullet hoses. We're safe here for a little while.

Sorry, it's a Hunter not a Varminter but when I get a MV it will be very similar other than maybe a different color.
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How did I not find this before!! Thank you! Just ordered one

Best tool for an AR besides the armorers wrench, they should actually sell them as a pair. Receiver blocks are the wrong tool for the job as far as I'm concerned, with a reaction rod there is no torque applied to the upper receiver so other than stripping the barrel nut threads there is pretty much zero chance of damaging your upper.

 

[Battleworn]

I have the fortis handguard as well. Read online somewhere the the nut that comes with it doesn't have to be torqued on like a regular mil spec barrel nut? After I hand cranked it back on took it out shooting shot about 40 rounds. But twice malfunctioned

The bolt stop engaged while there was still ammo in the mag. The gun had zero malfunctions before. After those two stoppages I was able to shoot another 10 rounds no issues. Both stoppages were with different mags.

 

[Brian46]

ACR if you plan to convert calibers.

Solely based on what ATRS has posted on this forum how against they are of anyone modifying their product. If you were too ever need replacement parts in the future that are proprietary to the MV/MH, it is unlikely they will sell them to you with what has been said.

PS, I am going to do it anyways when I find a cheap used one

 

[jiffx2781]

I have the fortis handguard as well. Read online somewhere the the nut that comes with it doesn't have to be torqued on like a regular mil spec barrel nut? After I hand cranked it back on took it out shooting shot about 40 rounds. But twice malfunctioned

The bolt stop engaged while there was still ammo in the mag. The gun had zero malfunctions before. After those two stoppages I was able to shoot another 10 rounds no issues. Both stoppages were with different mags.

All barrel nuts need to be torqued on. Even the Fortis. Hand tight isn't sufficient enough. The Fortis barrel nut uses your standard AR spanner wrench, I just have a cheap Tapco armorer's wrench for this. The only difference between the Fortis barrel nut and a standard milspec one is that the Fortis nut is smooth and doesn't have the little tabs (for lack of a better term) all the way around it that need to be indexed properly with the gas tube. It still needs to be tightened with a wrench but no indexing is required. Hope this helps.