M10X Canadian MSRP set
- Thread starter FoxAlpha
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This stuff happens all the time in all industries, company A does all the leg work, determines spec's based on customers wants/needs, draws up plans/blueprints/cad etc and after months or years of hard follow up with pricing. Industry A provides company B with all the spec's/plans provided by company A and company B comes in with better pricing. Guess who wins the contract more often than not.
Verbal contracts are still, a thing, last time I checked.
Unfortunately accountability to such things is becoming less of a thing.
And people who have no problem with the lack of accountability are becoming more of a thing.
polskadude
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- London Ontario
You were promised the allotment yet you still cancelled the preorder. You encouraged people to buy optics for the rifle, and some people did. Some people bought much more for the rifle. Can you please explain why you cancelled the preorder if you were still receiving the rifles at the preorder price? Did they lower your profit margins? Did they remove your profit completely? You'd think it would be easier to finish the preorder, even with a smaller margin then to piss off several customers.
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Touche', signs of the times I guess.
Reading the post from M+M, it looks like they offered NS dealer pricing to Wanstalls.
NS dealer price was more than pre-sale one quoted by WS, so Wanstalls was not able to hold up the promise, i.e. take a loss on every rifle sold.
NS dealer price was more than pre-sale one quoted by WS, so Wanstalls was not able to hold up the promise, i.e. take a loss on every rifle sold.
Unfortunately in today's warm and fuzzy world you can't even hold people accountable for things they are responsible for because you might hurt their feelings then all of a sudden you are the one in the wrong and not the person you are just trying to hold to their word or their responsibilities.
IT"S ALL DOWNHILL FROM HERE BOYS AND GIRLS AND WHATEVER ELSE YOU WANT TO BE IDENTIFIED AS.
How do you know what the dealer price for NS is?
What I want to know is how many people actually got in on the pre-sale? I may be out to lunch here but it couldn't have been that many, the pre-sale was only open for a short time.
Someone is lying and my money is on M+M but nothing is certain in this fiasco. Just thinking that even at dealer pricing like M+M said they would give Wanstalls if they sold them at the pre-sale price and took a hundred dollar loss on each rifle I can't imagine there were that many pre-orders so it wouldn't have been the $20k+ losses some were guestimating. Couple thousand dollars could have cleared all this up and after selling the pre-orders M+M could just fade away as no one would want to pay $500 more than the other guys.
Plus dealer pricing to a distributor has to include allowances for the distributor and the retailer to make some money so if they offered the dealer price to Wanstalls it was probably around $1500 which leaves a couple hundred for each set of hands to take a share on the way to the consumer. Which would mean they probably wouldn't make any money on the pre-sale but it wouldn't have been a big loss.
Either way, I commend Wanstalls for walking away from this rifle. It shows they have ethics and won't lay down and watch a new manufacturer exploit the Canadian firearms owner.
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You work for NS? Or how do you know what the price NS gets them at with 100% accuracy....
The rifle in question has been seen listed under 1000usd stateside and not from M+M so there is already a middle man making a cut
16" barrel one. And retail in US is usually is 20% less than MSRP. MSRP is a marketing gimmick, that allows retailers to give consumers a "deal".
Local prices are influenced by local market conditions, read "what consumer would bear" and have nothing to do with what product cost is or what retail pricing is in other region.
Look at everything in our stores, from food to electronics, to vehicles. Everything is cheaper in states. Businesses in Canada have a higher fixed costs percentage due to lower volume of sales. Taxes are higher, workforce is more expensive, regulations are more restrictive.
We should let NS gouge us as they wish, same as with gas, milk, electronics, cars, airfares etc. We just need to stop buying in Canada and get it directly from US, at least while we can.
Sunchild2071
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Glen Park, AB
I catch the sarcasm in the post, but it is almost not funny.
So many online shoppers, etc., that is already happening. Buying Canadian still won't bring us to being a big market, but all those internet shopper's, do the same thing to us as the "price whores", in a way. Less Canadian buying makes the retailers need to make more margin per sale, to keep afloat. Basic economics, yes.
That is different though, than an open admission of using the Canadian market to subsidize poor US sales.
I've said it in a number of threads around here, we all need to shop more Canadian, support Canadian manufacture, and retailers. Otherwise, we are just getting what we deserve. It might cost a bit more, but that keeps the money circulating in Canada economy, at least (somewhat). Once we kill all Canadian business, by internet shopping in the US, THEN see what we will pay. Subsidizing poor US sales will become the norm.
Just a general observation - not directed at anyone in particular.
Well, one side or the other is lying their ass off here ..
Why cancel the presale when M+M alloted you the rifles and at the presale price?
Was it because you were not making any money and NS was at that price?
M&M clearly is since they were not below MAP pricing in the US, if they even had MAP pricing which I also doubt...the MSRP was $1250 but places were selling them as low as $999. If the MAP is $999 then $1450 was not below it was it?
Still lots of time for M&M to #### over NS....just wait and see what else that POS snake can come up with.
i just got a notification from them 
