hometownhero
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Like I said. Until you find out you can have both.
30-06s.... Love/Hate/Re-evaluate
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Like I said. Until you find out you can have both.
The Outsider
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Velocity doesn't kill, holes put in the right place does.
canadaman30
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pete dobinson
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I think the old saying for the 30-06, "jack of all trades, master of none" suits it well.
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hometownhero
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And what do you need for a bullet to get there ? Velocity. What do you need for a bullet to open reliably? Velocity.
I shot one once 20yrs ago( 1 shot), didn't impress me. I bought a barreled action 3-4 yrs ago and got the barrel unscrewed and left it there as they are not allowed in my house. It's a vanilla cartridge that works on everything but don't do anything especially well.
The only good thing about it is the parent case of the 280 Rem.
The only good thing about it is the parent case of the 280 Rem.
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prairie lover
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if you would have told me 10 years ago that id own a 30-06 one day or even a 270 win id have told you you were crazy. it had to be the fastest flattest.......you get the drift. ive come full circle, and have owned a 30-30, 308 and 303, but sold them due to them seeing little use due to lack of time. I shot my buck this year with a 270 win. also carried a 30-06. there more efficient for the powder burnt and seem to shoot plenty well on my steel gongs. I like scopes with ballistic reticles for hunting and both of them follow it quite well out to greater distances than id take a shot at in the field while hunting. im looking forwards to carrying the old 30-06 some more and playing with different bullets in it.
I shot one once 20yrs ago( 1 shot), didn't impress me. I bought a barreled action 3-4 yrs ago and got the barrel unscrewed and left it there as they are not allowed in my house. It's a vanilla cartridge that works on everything but don't do anything especially well.
The only good thing about it is the parent case of the 280 Rem.
AND the 270! lol
And yet, without velocity there would be no hole at all. Varying velocity will change the size, depth and nature of the hole. Increased velocity will make placing that hole easier.
Not really; any of the larger 30s can be loaded to exactly duplicate the '06 with the same bullets. It doesn't work the other way around.
The Outsider
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Sure, but some people don't realize that too much or too little velocity on impact means that bullet selection is critical.
Traditional bullets traveling more than 2900 fps can fall apart on impact, copper and bonded bullets may not open up under about 2300 fps.
so, depending on what your shooting at and at what distance....
That's why I believe the 30'06 is about ideal, at least for what I hunt here in southern BC, at the distances that I usually shoot.
If I want a fast, flat shooting bullet, I can load it, If I want a hard hitting heavy bullet, I can load it too.
But don't get me wrong, I own and reload for over 20 rifles in everything from 25-35 to 338, I love 'em all.
When I hunt with my 300 WM though, I won't be using a cup and core bullet when most of my shots are under 100 yards
So velocity only needs to be taken into consideration for the type of bullet I choose to reload.
Any bullet put through the vitals will bring an animal down.
Shot placement will always be more important than at what speed the bullet travels.
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That's kind of where I'm heading with my hunting rifles... instead of having duplicate calibers (308/30-06/300WM for example), I'm just going to keep the biggest cartridge I can shoot comfortably at full house, and then load ammo to whatever game I'm sporting.
At one point had a 7-08/7x57/7x64/7RM.... ridiculous. Now I'm down to 7x57/7x64/7RM... It's a slow process parting with some of these lol.
Perhaps , but over the years I've owned a few 300WM's , a 300 Weatherby , and a couple of 308 NM's . It was easy to duplicate 30/06 velocities , but they were not that accurate . My 300's shot a lot more accurately when loaded to higher velocities . Of course , others may have had different results .
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Not in this case nor was it necessary to push it to max. Speed is fine, accuracy is final (on Deer-sized game anyway). Goes to show the .300 WM gets it done loaded to sub-.30-06 levels. The high muzzle speed flat-trajectory argument is less relevant with the advent of ballistic reticles.
And then what...??
I had the 1903 long octagon winchester 30-30 as my very first shooter, I thought I died and went to heaven when I took over a 303 British,,, then it all changed when a 7x57 Muser came threw the door one day.
How could it get any better than that. After 8 years of filling the freezer a brand new Midland 30/06 for $120 bucks came home with me from the local hardware store. I think the Weaver 4X scope was $100. That was alot of money my friends.
It wasn't long after that when I accumulated 20 to 40 rifles,,, 2 years after that I filled in the empty corners around the farm. 300 to 400 as I quit counting.
Bud Haynes and Emal Hermmery became my good friends
The collection started thinning out when the word GST showed up.
By that time I had 4 to 7 land cannons.
300 Win, 300 Weatherby, 338 Win, 300 H&H, 375 H&H, and the limited short stint of 378 Weatherby hammer. LOL.
More bron then brains.
Every rifle in the house went out the door, including the 30/06,,, funny thing was that the 303 British remain in the cabinet,,, maybe its the best all round cartrage.
I'm blessed to live the dream, darn lucky indeed.
Some where along the way I ended up in archery, 15 years and still at it.
There were no more rifles in the mix, the body was worn down, of course my mind said yes, but it wasn't going to happen.
I kinda miss my magnum cannon days. But some thing changed.
I looked at 20 to 30 cartrages starting in 2015, slowly the cartrages started falling off my list.
For me, and "me" only,,, I knew I needed something to give me the lightest edge of the old magnum days,,, yet I needed something for plinking targets, the odd critter harvests and a small fraction of distance in the long range target world.
The 1000 yard target down range is hard to hit,,, heavy bullets seem to buck the winds.
Of course this works me.
The last 5 cartrages left on my list of non magnums was the 6.5 Creedmoor, 7mm-08, 270, 280, and 30/06.
All of them are fine cartrages, in matter in fact all cartrages do what they do best.
The 30/06 just offered the slightest edge of what I need.
A fraction of to much power at 150 to 200 yards on critters.
Plenty of Umpha on iron silhouettes to tip the rams over.
A chance to tag the paper with ease at the 1 km range.
Frugal on powder, fun to shoot, forgiving to re-load for since the IMR & H powders offer out standing consistency across the board.
The only hot loads I run are for harvest season,,, other than that its reduced loads in the 308 winchester mix.
Its awesome that many folks need the power, same for the crowd that enjoys pushing the 243, 257 and 6.5 category.
One would only think that the day will come when this little cartrages and bullets become the next all round thing.
There's no right or wrong when the person them selves finds what their looking for.
I for one would never tell anyone to pick this or that. That's not my job nor is it my place.
The closest thing I can offer is ideas for """those that choose""" or """not to choose""" as its peoples ideas that should drive their choices.
My return to the 30/06 has brought back some memories of good times, the spark of simple satisfaction, the relaxing thrill of plinking.
All firearms offer this, hopefully all of us find this in the cartrages and rifles we own,,, or """choose""" to own.
Plane Jane dude Don as its all about good times.
How could it get any better than that. After 8 years of filling the freezer a brand new Midland 30/06 for $120 bucks came home with me from the local hardware store. I think the Weaver 4X scope was $100. That was alot of money my friends.
It wasn't long after that when I accumulated 20 to 40 rifles,,, 2 years after that I filled in the empty corners around the farm. 300 to 400 as I quit counting.
Bud Haynes and Emal Hermmery became my good friends
The collection started thinning out when the word GST showed up.
By that time I had 4 to 7 land cannons.
300 Win, 300 Weatherby, 338 Win, 300 H&H, 375 H&H, and the limited short stint of 378 Weatherby hammer. LOL.
More bron then brains.
Every rifle in the house went out the door, including the 30/06,,, funny thing was that the 303 British remain in the cabinet,,, maybe its the best all round cartrage.
I'm blessed to live the dream, darn lucky indeed.
Some where along the way I ended up in archery, 15 years and still at it.
There were no more rifles in the mix, the body was worn down, of course my mind said yes, but it wasn't going to happen.
I kinda miss my magnum cannon days. But some thing changed.
I looked at 20 to 30 cartrages starting in 2015, slowly the cartrages started falling off my list.
For me, and "me" only,,, I knew I needed something to give me the lightest edge of the old magnum days,,, yet I needed something for plinking targets, the odd critter harvests and a small fraction of distance in the long range target world.
The 1000 yard target down range is hard to hit,,, heavy bullets seem to buck the winds.
Of course this works me.
The last 5 cartrages left on my list of non magnums was the 6.5 Creedmoor, 7mm-08, 270, 280, and 30/06.
All of them are fine cartrages, in matter in fact all cartrages do what they do best.
The 30/06 just offered the slightest edge of what I need.
A fraction of to much power at 150 to 200 yards on critters.
Plenty of Umpha on iron silhouettes to tip the rams over.
A chance to tag the paper with ease at the 1 km range.
Frugal on powder, fun to shoot, forgiving to re-load for since the IMR & H powders offer out standing consistency across the board.
The only hot loads I run are for harvest season,,, other than that its reduced loads in the 308 winchester mix.
Its awesome that many folks need the power, same for the crowd that enjoys pushing the 243, 257 and 6.5 category.
One would only think that the day will come when this little cartrages and bullets become the next all round thing.
There's no right or wrong when the person them selves finds what their looking for.
I for one would never tell anyone to pick this or that. That's not my job nor is it my place.
The closest thing I can offer is ideas for """those that choose""" or """not to choose""" as its peoples ideas that should drive their choices.
My return to the 30/06 has brought back some memories of good times, the spark of simple satisfaction, the relaxing thrill of plinking.
All firearms offer this, hopefully all of us find this in the cartrages and rifles we own,,, or """choose""" to own.
Plane Jane dude Don as its all about good times.
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243 will do the job you want.
