What AR comes close to this Achievement?? HK416

[cr5]

Even if you own a rifle rated to shoot under water I strongly suggest not doing it. It is designed to do it without blowing up but you will ruin your barrel in a very short time. Militaries don't care about barrels, if needed they do it to preserve life then take the rifle to the armourer for a new barrel.
Water does not compress and the water can't get out of the barrel fast enough to prevent it from finding away around the bullet which will bulge the barrel little by little every round.
There was a video of a guy on here doing it with his Swiss Arms and he ruined the barrel. Stupid thing to do with your personal rifle that you have to pay for the repairs on.

 

[yukoncoyote]

I remember the vid of the OTB test here on cgn. I say that if you wanna ruin your barrel, go for it, who are we to call it stupid? It was his rifle, he decided to do it and seemed to be aware of the consequences. So who gives a chit? Let the guy have at er. I thought it was pretty cool actually.

 

[2strokeforever]

So your over priced rifle is horribly over gassed... Thats embarrassing

 

[rkm456]

This demonstration of H&K awesomeness should definitely sell the 416 upper on the EE now.

I like how it goes up in price every week, lol.

 

[greentips]

So your over priced rifle is horribly over gassed... Thats embarrassing

So what is "not over gassed"? Like it barely works only at a range on a sunny day?

I find it interesting people, especially US people, keep saying everything is overpassed because consumer grade AR purposely adjusted their gas port sizes to accommodate a wide variety of commercial ammo. When they put on the suppressors of course it aggravates the problems. They are the problems of themselves of not using NATO ammo, but they turn around and accuse everyone of overpassing - it is like they want to drive a Porsche but they want it to run it on 84 Octane gas. So other makers come up with cars that run 84 Octane for everyone, and they are not happy because Porsche doesn't run on 84 and all these other cars are not to the "porcsche spec".

So now it becomes a thing, anything that doesn't shoot like the most timid AR is overpassed. They don't even care that the timing and unlocking cycle are different for different guns.

 

[Stoner99]

So what is "not over gassed"? Like it barely works only at a range on a sunny day?

I find it interesting people, especially US people, keep saying everything is overpassed because consumer grade AR purposely adjusted their gas port sizes to accommodate a wide variety of commercial ammo. When they put on the suppressors of course it aggravates the problems. They are the problems of themselves of not using NATO ammo, but they turn around and accuse everyone of overpassing - it is like they want to drive a Porsche but they want it to run it on 84 Octane gas. So other makers come up with cars that run 84 Octane for everyone, and they are not happy because Porsche doesn't run on 84 and all these other cars are not to the "porcsche spec".

Exactly the stupid in this thread by internet warriors has reached new heights with all the new wave of AR owners. People complain because they want to run Wolf ammo in a Noveske or vice versa. Group think and parroting has reached all new levels. No actual research is done. Just lazy beer drinking comments.

A lot of this has been driven by company employees pushing there agenda to sell there brand of AR. Its simple... create an annomous account and start nit picking semantical arguments that are not true. Then the ball gets rolling.

Either way professional armies are not taking advice from hacks trying to sell there 10 boutiques BS rifles because of the masses of Wolf ammo idiots out there.


People lose focus on why these guns were built and what criteria they were intended for. USA is the worst for this. The best is seeing guys give advice on guns because of there deep knowledge on what handgrip or new KMR Rail is the greatest thing to use at the range. My favorite is people giving advice because they go to the range once a year and base there high level experience on there prowneness of watching tv shows like Stargate. Lol.

 

[hbean]

Shark defence Wed!

haven't you heard? sharks are riding tornadoes now.

 

[mebiuspower]

Why do H&K even exist when there's Daniel Defense???

 

[84wh1]

I like how it goes up in price every week, lol.

yeah this makes me laugh too.

 

[2strokeforever]

Or we can use some top secret 80 year old soviet tech and have an adjustable gas block...

I did sort of lose hope in humanity when kel tec did just that and everyone complained that it was too difficult to have the option of adjusting something

If your 223 rifle kicks more than a svt 40 its horribly overgassed to the point of affecting reliability in a negative way

Ive got plenty of guns I reduced the gas significantly and they still cycle everything and dont jam when they get dirty...
In fact I have never cleaned either one of my t97s, and my sks runs great on the random mix of old commie ammo, despite only throwing emptys 2 feet to the right

 

[cr5]

I remember the vid of the OTB test here on cgn. I say that if you wanna ruin your barrel, go for it, who are we to call it stupid? It was his rifle, he decided to do it and seemed to be aware of the consequences. So who gives a chit? Let the guy have at er. I thought it was pretty cool actually.

I agree that it's not my gun so why should I care but many people on here don't know chit about guns and think that because it's rated for OTB they're good to go. I'm simply pointing out that it will ruin your barrel and that I would never do it to any of my rifles.
If anyone wants to do this please video it so the rest of us can be entertained watching you ruin a $500+ barrel.

 

[Stoner99]

I agree that it's not my gun so why should I care but many people on here don't know chit about guns and think that because it's rated for OTB they're good to go. I'm simply pointing out that it will ruin your barrel and that I would never do it to any of my rifles.
If anyone wants to do this please video it so the rest of us can be entertained watching you ruin a $500+ barrel.

I don’t think you guys get it here. You do that with any DI AR or other piston guns they explode. HK416 is engineered for success in worst case senario.

This doesn’t mean everyone needs one or people should loose their minds because of industry biases say its crap example Chris Bartocci for example. These guys keep promoting falsehoods and inaccurate info on this gun.

LWRC
POF
KAC
Colt
Colt Canada to some extent.

Etc etc.

 

[J996]

SIG 55X series won’t “explode” from an OTB scenario. It has been around for 27 years and was used by plenty of sf during that time, including marine commandos. The AK series will also do it.

Yes barrels will bulge but those rifles will stay together.

 

[Stoner99]

SIG 55X series won’t “explode” from an OTB scenario. It has been around for 27 years and was used by plenty of sf during that time, including marine commandos. The AK series will also do it.

Yes barrels will bulge but those rifles will stay together.

I was referring to AR15 versions and DI specific ARs. Also a lot of the knock off piston ARs.

 

[cr5]

I don’t think you guys get it here. You do that with any DI AR or other piston guns they explode. HK416 is engineered for success in worst case senario.

This doesn’t mean everyone needs one or people should loose their minds because of industry biases say its crap example Chris Bartocci for example. These guys keep promoting falsehoods and inaccurate info on this gun.

LWRC
POF
KAC
Colt
Colt Canada to some extent.

Etc etc.

You are the one that apparently doesn't get it. Being rated for OTB only means it will not blow up in your face and will continue to function, it will still ruin the barrel in a short period of time.
There are lots of piston rifles that can survive doing this but all of them will need a new barrel after a short time.
Even the XCR-L was advertised as being OTB just like the HK and Swiss Arms rifles but unless you get your barrels for free I wouldn't do it just because the manufacturer designed it to stay together if shot full of water.

And really, what possible reason would any civilian have for shooting underwater or filling their rifle with water and shooting it? It is absolutely pointless and just silly. The only guys I can imagine doing this are the same guys who run around in their moms basement wearing their plate carrier, knee pads, elbow pads and camo doing operator rolls over the couch and pointing at a mirror thinking they look bad ass.

 

[greentips]

SIG 55X series won’t “explode” from an OTB scenario. It has been around for 27 years and was used by plenty of sf during that time, including marine commandos. The AK series will also do it.

Yes barrels will bulge but those rifles will stay together.

Before HK416, the French Naval commandos were ( and probably still are) using SG551. No one is going to intentionally shoot within water, it is not the movie "Navy Seal". But it is true that sometimes it is difficult to ensure 100% water drainage. It is simply more comforting to know it will work in the worse case scenario. Diving for your life into a water/mud puddle and needing to return fire, or getting ambushed in a river cross and taking a slip , there is no time to think about draining the weapon. Note that i am not insinuating a DI gun will explode magically if it touches any water, but it will have more of the odd chance for water to get in the wrong spot.

So if I am given a choice, why would I pick something less than the other, especially if the government is paying for it.

But if i have to pay for it, yeh, maybe I don't care about so much.

 

[yohann160]

Next time I shoot a C7 underwater I'll be sure to keep this in mind.

 

[Stoner99]

You are the one that apparently doesn't get it. Being rated for OTB only means it will not blow up in your face and will continue to function, it will still ruin the barrel in a short period of time.
There are lots of piston rifles that can survive doing this but all of them will need a new barrel after a short time.
Even the XCR-L was advertised as being OTB just like the HK and Swiss Arms rifles but unless you get your barrels for free I wouldn't do it just because the manufacturer designed it to stay together if shot full of water.

And really, what possible reason would any civilian have for shooting underwater or filing their rifle with water and shooting it? It is absolutely pointless and just silly. The only guys I can imagine doing this are the same guys who run around in their moms basement wearing their plate carrier, knee pads, elbow pads and camo doing operator rolls over the couch and pointing at a mirror thinking they look bad ass.

I never mentioned or stated anything about the Swiss Arms or XCR(Loctite Needed). I specifically zeroed in on any other AR type rifle for the most part. Piston or DI.

As for barrels well ...duh. Obviously it is very rough on barrels. know one stated it doesn’t. Who is recommending you do water born operations? Know one is.

The fact is people like yourself will have to get over the fact that the HK416 Uber super german made weapon is amazing and really is the best choice if available.

As for your last paragraph.. isn’t that what you do with your Colt Canada rifle. Lol Or is it the Israeli wonder weapon the Tavor, that is now defunct.

You are making comparison with other guns but not discussing the HK416 system itself and the wonderful achievements it has made and is.

It sounds like jealousy or being envious.

 

[D 23]

This one does more than come close. It's actually effective under water, unlike the 416.

Fanboi fridays?


Might want to check this out too...

 

[cr5]

I never mentioned or stated anything about the Swiss Arms or XCR(Loctite Needed). I specifically zeroed in on any other AR type rifle for the most part. Piston or DI.

As for barrels well ...duh. Obviously it is very rough on barrels. know one stated it doesn’t. Who is recommending you do water born operations? Know one is.

The fact is people like yourself will have to get over the fact that the HK416 Uber super german made weapon is amazing and really is the best choice if available.

As for your last paragraph.. isn’t that what you do with your Colt Canada rifle. Lol Or is it the Israeli wonder weapon the Tavor, that is now defunct.

You are making comparison with other guns but not discussing the HK416 system itself and the wonderful achievements it has made and is.

It sounds like jealousy or being envious.

All I'm saying is that like every other rifle out there rated OTB it still ruins the rifle. I'm not disagreeing that the HK may be the best battle rifle on the market today but even your favorite wonder rifle will still live a short life if you shoot it with a barrel full of water.

Stop arguing like a liberal, making sh!t up about someone saying that is what I do with my Tavor or Colt is childish. I don't own ether of those and if I did they would never be shot full of water just because the manufacturer says they'll hold together. I don't own a plate carrier, and my knee pads are for home renovations. I made a general statement of the mentality of guys that would think this is something a civilian rifle needs to be able to do, I attacked no one specifically and simply stated facts about rifles like this.

You love the HK? That's great, it's a fantastic rifle but it goes way beyond what any civilian needs at a gun range which is the only place you can use it. If I wanted one I would own one but I have no use for a restricted rifle that costs as much as the HK does. Enjoy your HK, I'll stick to spending big money on rifles that I can actually use for more than paper punching and gong ringing.