Question for Hunt and camp boss's - hunting drama

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Serious questions for Hunt Boss's and Camp Boss's, or even huters I guess.


Does anyone else have problems with overly dramatic hunters or constant drama surrounding hunting, group dynamics or use of their cabins/property?


In my case as far as hunting goes the apple fell far from the tree. I don't like hunting at all, I'm not a hunter. The last time I shot an animal was 22 years ago and I stopped fake hunting with my dad about 10 years ago.

So that said I still come from a family of hunters and inherited a hunting cabin and while I use it for recreation I still want to see the cabin used for it's intended purpose too.
So I lend or rent it out to hunters, but it's nothing but a headache. So much so that I've just told the 5th group of hunters to use my cabin that they're not invited to use it next year for deer hunting.

People not wanting to pay, people NOT paying, people disrespecting and pissing off the local hunters. I had one guy take it upon himself to charge his group 4 times what I was charging them to try and make a buck off my cabin. Groups having a falling out and one half wants me to ban the other half. Guys #####ing about someone using semi-autos. Guys using the cabin during the summer without getting permission or being invited to do so. Leaving garbage that I have to bring out.


Am I just having #### luck? The cabin sleeps 16 in a prime hunting location, I want to support hunting and hunters but it hardly feels worth the frustration. From what I understand cabins and hunting grounds are in high demand, I don't get it.
 
Be stern with written rules on the cabin.
Any nonsense won't be tolerated and stick to it.
Using the cabin uninvited is nothing short of trespassing and violators
should be charged.

The arse dubbling up on your fees to gain should be taken out back,
tied to a tree, stripped nay-kidd and molasses poured over him.
Leaf him out there for a spell.
Might smarten him up.

Frucktards are everywhere.

Sorry to hear your bad luck.
We all lose when this chit goes on.
 
When it becomes more trouble than it's worth, stop doing it.

You might want to send a letter out to all the past renters explaining why they have screwed themselves out of your cabin, too. Lots of grown adults act like children and it should be pointed out to them.
 
It can really suck to be a landlord, that's why I'm not one and poor, LOL.

I would agree that well posted rules or expectations via a signed contract might help. Backing those rules up with a significant damage deposit would help with compliance.

Cheers!
 
It is unfortunate that you have been through this. I think that it is very cool that you are keeping with the idea of the camp and its traditions. Is there not a younger generation in your family, maybe cousins or cousins kids, who would make use of it in the fall? What province is it in?
 
Offer it up to some folks here. I am sure you will find a group who will treat your place with the respect it deserves.
As for the others, trespass the lot of 'em!
 
some people are just plain idiots - talk to other hunters in the area they may know some that may want to hunt - have a meeting with them before the hunt - explain what the rules are -
 
I like to hunt alone or with 1 partner! No BS.
Used to hunt with dad & his friends many moons ago & I quit that gang.
Too many beer farts at night, hang over complaints & know it alls type guys!
Bunch of of old drama queens....
 
GuiltySpark said:
Serious questions for Hunt Boss's and Camp Boss's, or even huters I guess.


Does anyone else have problems with overly dramatic hunters or constant drama surrounding hunting, group dynamics or use of their cabins/property?


In my case as far as hunting goes the apple fell far from the tree. I don't like hunting at all, I'm not a hunter. The last time I shot an animal was 22 years ago and I stopped fake hunting with my dad about 10 years ago.

So that said I still come from a family of hunters and inherited a hunting cabin and while I use it for recreation I still want to see the cabin used for it's intended purpose too.
So I lend or rent it out to hunters, but it's nothing but a headache. So much so that I've just told the 5th group of hunters to use my cabin that they're not invited to use it next year for deer hunting.

People not wanting to pay, people NOT paying, people disrespecting and pissing off the local hunters. I had one guy take it upon himself to charge his group 4 times what I was charging them to try and make a buck off my cabin. Groups having a falling out and one half wants me to ban the other half. Guys #####ing about someone using semi-autos. Guys using the cabin during the summer without getting permission or being invited to do so. Leaving garbage that I have to bring out.


Am I just having #### luck? The cabin sleeps 16 in a prime hunting location, I want to support hunting and hunters but it hardly feels worth the frustration. From what I understand cabins and hunting grounds are in high demand, I don't get it.
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You may need to start to run the camp as a business.......YOUR business. Only rent for a specific period of time,generally,one week,only, @ $2K per week,Sunday to Saturday making it very clear that in no way,shape or form,there's extra days or weeks at any other time without a signed rental agreement @ the usual price. It sounds like you've allowed people to take advantage of you and only YOU can put a stop to it.
 
The point in time that someone considers themselves a "Boss" or a group of hunters feels they want someone to "Boss" them around is the time I stop hunting with said person/group.
 
Brian46 said:
The point in time that someone considers themselves a "Boss" or a group of hunters feels they want someone to "Boss" them around is the time I stop hunting with said person/group.
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Organizer is a better word... every camp needs one... just not one that lets it go to his/her head.
 
While I do a lot of hunting local to me, I also "rent a cabin" three or four weeks a year (in one week chunks) from a few different outfitters or cabin owners.

As some have stated, run it as a business. Deal with a single guy/gal. Set a price. Set an in/out time (most commercial outfitters I deal with in Ontario are Saturday - in after 2pm - out the following Saturday by 10 am) - want an extra day or two if it is not booked, then there is a daily rate tacked on.

I tend to do all the bookings so it's worked out between me and the cabin owner. I give a deposit to secure the booking, usually months in advance (left a deposit back in September for a cabin rental next September) - pay the balance before I get the keys.

The number of people (max) are specified in the (mini contract/booking - whatever) is specified (4, 6, 10 whatever) and then it's "my problem" if guys bail out or I kick them out etc.

We (I) generally get a set of "rules", perhaps an orientation as where we can go, where to stay away from, what is huntable etc.

Over the years I have become quite friendly with some of the owners, but at the end of the day I'm paying for the use of a cabin - they are charging for the use of a cabin and as long as we both live up to the expectations of that "transaction" there is no problem.

If the group is made up of "problem children", you can always tell them that the cabin is already booked for next season.
 
I started hunting with a group of hunters over a decade ago. I hated the camp dynamic and having to deal with other hunters. Sad to say but hunters are their own worst enemies.

I now hunt alone for the most part and only invite close friends or family members. Less of a pain in the azz...
 
hoytcanon said:
Organizer is a better word... every camp needs one... just not one that lets it go to his/her head.
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Exactly.... I own and run a camp..

I have a select group of guys that hunt with me every year and we have very few rules (most are around gun safety and keeping the camp clean and stocked)....

The purpose of the camp organizer is to ensure that safety rules are followed, camp is stocked and clean and that everyone gets to continue to enjoy it.....

I won’t say I have never had any “bickering” or pettiness, but easy to follow rules applied consistently takes care of most of this...

I charge the guys $300 a year for access year round to the camp equipped with generator, boat for fishing, propane fridge and stove and 400 acres of hunting access... it covers the taxes and deer week food as well the lease we have on some of the land with the conservation authority.

OP, are you dead set on making money off of your camp? If you are, you will always have arguments.
 
Brian46 said:
The point in time that someone considers themselves a "Boss" or a group of hunters feels they want someone to "Boss" them around is the time I stop hunting with said person/group.
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It's an eastern thing. I had never heard the terms "hunt camp, camp boss, hunt captain" etc until CGN and I started reading eastern hunters threads.
 
Get a big deposit and pay yourself well for any cleanup or repairs you need to do after they've left. Clear written rules aka a written and signed agreement would do wonders for your aggravation . I hunt alone or with my wife so I always know who the boss is ( it's me 50% of the time) :)
 
hunter5425 said:
Get a big deposit and pay yourself well for any cleanup or repairs you need to do after they've left. Clear written rules aka a written and signed agreement would do wonders for your aggravation . I hunt alone or with my wife so I always know who the boss is ( it's me 50% of the time) :)
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Totally against he spirit of hunt camp....
 
unfortunately all I can say is modify your screening process . Maybe consider opening up to other people . a friend of mine rents out an old cabin property he has . Has had success with bow hunters and a group of black powder guys . But he also rents out in off hunting season to a couple of families and rents out a few times a year to a group of guys that come up from the city and do what we call Extreme RC car and truck adventures
 
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