Rifle Optic Reticles Thread

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The time has come to see what's out there in the ever changing world of Reticles.

I'm planning on 1 to fill my all round needs.

Plinking, Harvesting, iron silhouettes, long distance, and if I get it right, F Class as well as PRS in the years to come.

I'm looking at the advantages over all.

There are lots of them to choose from, so I'll put 3 of them that I'm looking at right now.

This is not that I'm stead fast in my planning since its about the "ALL".

This summer I jumped on board with the Nikon BDC 3-12X44 SFP scope, it works good, but now it's time to move way beyond this category.

The fast tracking idea with out dialing up or down is a good idea when it comes to Harvesting game at unknown distances or in the winds.

A look at many optic reticle is a wize plan going forward, many of them before laying down the cash.

He is 3 Reticles to start with. The advantages of each.

Horus Tremor 3.

Horus H59

Vortex EBR-C2.


I'd like to know if there is enough reticle to cover the side to side wind effects over all.

450 meters to target with gusting 7 mpr / 11 kpr winds.
I thinking the above reticles would be able to do this.
What out manufactor reticles cover this spread, or even more.

I know that Nikon BDC covers the up's and downs in elevation, but not so much in the verticals.

So what's the scope on a "kinda" all rounder when I make my jump to PRS challange.

Don
 
So what changed.

A friend of mine was in a PRS shoot this year, the winds pick-up and his reticle bars ended.

He ended up in guess-ti-matted land, had the reticle had enough way points, then he would of most likely would of scored higher.

He was able to place 4th over all.
Even he is planing on the new reticle idea.

Neither one of us are worried about distance since we can fast dial up, but the Windage option is nice have.

So what other reticles should I be looking at.

Don
 
Thank all, it looks like a nice system.
I forgot I have the first generation mill dot Bushnell scope with something close to that.

He is the none guess-ti-mat reticles I was thinking of.
This was my first idea in my planing.

https://www.horusvision.com/

This was my second take

https://www.vortexcanada.net/en/tac...er-pst-5-25x50-ffp-riflescope-with-ebr-2c-moa

The limiting factor is ending up in guess-ti-matted area.
Not the Tremor 3 since.

I'm sure each optic manufacturer makes their own style of reticle, I was hoping they might of in clued a wide enough breath of Windage.

14 MOA is what my friend needed,,, that is a pretty fast wind at 1200 meters.

He has never seen this before, but never say never.
I know one thing.
If I'm dropping the $5000 bill on a optic, I'm sure hoping to get it right the first time.

Don
 
H59 is a good choice as well. It has done everything I need it to do and more. Really splitting hairs at this point. FFP, good glass and knowing when you need to dial and when you can hold is what is going to make you successful. Spending time behind whatever reticle you choose is the key. People have won PRS matches with P4LF and every other reticle out there. Because they have skill and practice with the gear that they have. 5000 rounds a year will help more than your choice in reticle. Feeling good about your choice is also important and will have a big impact on your personal success. Follow your gut and buy what you really want. Then shoot the crap out of it... And have fun...

2 cents worth right there.
 
I have been using a Sightron SIIISS-IR 624x50 with an illuminated MOA-H reticle. I have got to a reasonable level of confdence with this scope, it took a summer of practice.

This is half the price you were considering, nice quality optics and with the Horus type reticle you were considering. I would heavily recomend the illuminated aspect of the reticle, it really assists in dark cover at range. Without I find it tricky in low light to use the find ranging points.


Candocad
 
Yes, now I'm closing in on the game plan.

http://www.kahles.at/us/products/

I like the idea of the Tree reticles, less cluster for sure, "not as busy" when getting onto target.

FFP is a must for my planning stages, the Nikon BDC & "Old School" Bushnell (first Gen series #1 mill dot) optics I have are SFP...

I went the SFP route because it was said that if the shooter zooms in the FFP reticle wires become larger,,, the more zoom, the larger the wires and so on.
Now after playing with this SFP first hand,,, I can justify what the optic review writers / & competion users say & feel about this system.

Yes the wires remain the same size on SFP, but that alone as a down fall is small potatoes compared to doing the math depending on what "Zoom power / magnification" the optic is on,,, LOL. First hand knowledge of this Harvesting game this year.
I spot a nice Elk at distance, I have my zoom in / out calculations sorted in my noodle.

3 X's power is reticle hash-markd x to x this distance and x to x is this and so on up to 600m.

Same calibration for the 12 X's power zoom.
Any time the user adjusts the optics of SFP, the calculation mind game starts.

I knew that the way-points change between "ALL" the powers,,, 3, 4, 5 on up to 12.
I practiced all spring & summer long, it was branded into my brain, on my tac card and taped it to the side of my scope,,, ranging at 3 power and 12 power. Pretty much had it to a working science.

Any-who, here is this Elk, 375 meters.
I always keep my optics on the lowest setting for the close encounters.
My brain is locked onto the spread of x x to calibratoins,,, dam if things don't go south.

I crank up the zoom to get a clearer view of this Elk. Bingo, its a keeper.
I know the ranging on both powers, but my mind in the heat of the moment is still on 3 X's power calculations even though Im on 12 X's power zoom now.

I letter rip and the dirt is flying.
As soon as I touched it off, I realized my mistake.

1,,, SFP is a on going world of constant thinking.
2,,, It is a constant full time job remembering the all & and applying it in field / out field weather it be Harvesting game, long distance shooting, or in competion.

Both me and the critter reaped the rewards of a clear miss,,, lucky indeed. I would rather this then a poor wonding shot placement.

I "thought" I was Keen that day,,, know I'm even keener.

Less clutter of SFP has run its course, and come to a end in my books.
A chapter of learning, and becoming wizer,,, hopefully much much more wizer.

So how's this ranging hash-mark optic reticle going to work going forward after this kur-fluffle,,, simple.

Start today in wizer planning by choosing a optic for my OCD level,,, each of us have some fourm of it.
Find the one that elements most of the "busy", not to much clutter, but just enough to reach a fraction past its potential by a small fraction.

All ranging optic reticles have some degree of ones brain input to sort things out. So that is the next step in the 1 to 2 year plan.
Learn & Shoot, Shoot & Learn,,, repeat, repeat, repeat.

Sorry for the long post, but my idea / plans for this thread is to put it out there for other brothers & sisters to see what I'm up against, "We" might be a better word since I'm "guessing" I'm not alone in this.

The world of optic reticle is here to stay, it is changing, and hopefully towards the user friendly aspects.
Us humans will still need to run the calculation threw our noodles, but there are tools for this that hopefully improve our learning curves in this field.

Much much more to find out, discover, share and learn on this thread as I hope to get schooled by many of you folks.

From Western Canada Don as I learn something new every day
 
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Kahles is out. Looks like they have a limited 2 year warranty, and they won't cover "Most" North American claims.

The top 2 are stead fast for life time warranty, no fault claims and fully transferable to who ever owns it.

Leopard and Vortex lead the way.

Very disappointing on Kahles optics as I was giving them the look over.

I thought my firearms friend was biased, then having a chat with my long time shooting pal later today confirmed the same thing.

We are not the only folks disappointed in this. Sad indeed.
Kahles optics builds a beautiful product, super clear glass, smooth dial up & downs features, and sturdy exterior / interior components.

But their lack of life time warranty might be their biggest down fall over all.

PRS folks need this coverage since these optics take a beating,,, I know one thing, all my optics units I own have seen dirt many a times. Bumps and grinds are part of the mix if a person shoots off 2 barrels a year.

I'm just closing in on this.

Don't get me wrong, there are many types of shooters out there, some folks might use their rifle once or twice a year,,, others every odd month and some just for the full hunting season or a few weeks of it.

The other group like my self use our optics every weekend, thousand apon thousands of rounds per year.

I can see why Vortex is the number 1 pick in PRS shooting sports.
Life time warranty / no fault / immediate services in days is the selling benefit.

Hopefully more wrong then right, but I'm not dropping the massive amounts of cash on the maybe's in life.

Don
 
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I thought Kahles had a lifetime warranty...? Maybe I am confused. Can't argue with vortex service, and the viper pst gen II 5-25x50 is pretty affordable too, relative to the competitions.

Keep in mind most scopes with Horus or tremor will cost more due to 3rd party liscensing of the reticle.

SFP is better at low magnification and for extreme precision (very high magnification), but it's hard to beat FFP in the 12-24x magnification range.
 
Yes, they pretend that they are crafty at fouling people to believe that warranty is warranty and us users don't need to worry since they will be there "if" we need their service.

Only thing is that Kahles is there to help "but" with one hand reaching out while the other is in their pocket.

Crafty indeed.

And they think this.

Don
 
Did you check out that link Don? It's complete with renderings of MANY of the presently available Reticles. I haven't found a better source of comparison anywhere.

Also, if you go onto YouTube, the channel Optics Trade posts 'through the scope' videos of just about every scope / reticle they carry. Obviously it's not like looking through them yourself, but they showcase the whole magnification range, so I have found some value in it for comparing models which I can't get my hands on.

IOR MP-8 Extreme is a pretty sweet ret. too bad the 4-28x Recon is such a pig (40oz)!
 
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