When is 'enough gun' 'too much gun'?

The only time I’ve seen grizzlies while on foot, I wished I had a bigger gun than 6.5x55 but every time I shoot my deer with it, I’m glad I didn’t shoot it with a 7mm mag or a 300 anything because it’s a deer.
 
I carry a 9.3 x 57 with 280 gr soft nose bullets when we are moose hunting ( grizzlies are around and I want something with 'smack') but apart from that my 6.5 x55 does the job-'if I hold it straight' ( more wisdom from MY pop)
 
I have managed to kill deer with many different calibers..to much gun is when you cant use whatever gun ya got in whatever caliber to get the job done.
 
New guns and new cartridges have nothing to do with killing more effectively... they are just interesting for the shooter... we use all sorts of justifications for wanting to play with something new, but most of those justifications don't hold up to close scrutiny... my only reasoning now is "because I want to..." If I decide to shoot a deer with my .458 WM, it is not because I couldn't have done the job with my old pre-64 M94 .30/30, it is just because "I wanted to."
 
I carry a 9.3 x 57 with 280 gr soft nose bullets when we are moose hunting ( grizzlies are around and I want something with 'smack') but apart from that my 6.5 x55 does the job-'if I hold it straight' ( more wisdom from MY pop)

What sort of velocity do you get with that 9.3x57? I've been wanting to get something big and slow (compared to my 270 and 243 at least) and this caliber has intrigued me... Tempted to step up to a 9.3x62 due to factory ammo being available, but that doesn't really meet the "slow" part of my goal...
 
Haven't chronied it but I hand load and from what other guys say it should be around 2000 to 2200 fps. I doubt very much anything hit by 280 gr of soft lead poking along at that speed is going to get too far..critics call it a 'short range' 250 yard gun, but I don't shoot that far anyway.I would prefer a 9.3x62,just for the availability of regular production ammunition but they cost a fair bit more.Tradeex has a nice selection of 9.3 x57s at very reasonable prices.Norma does carry both 9.3 x57 and 9.3 x62,but it's pricey .
 
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Haven't chronied it but I hand load and from what other guys say it should be around 2000 to 2200 fps. I doubt very much anything hit by 280 gr of soft lead poking along at that speed is going to get too far..critics call it a 'short range' 250 yard gun, but I don't shoot that far anyway

With a 270 as my alternative, I don't need a 300yd gun anyways. What bullet are you using? I hear some don't expand too well at x57 velocities.
 
I have 7 mm, 30 and 35 calibre magnums I may kill a deer with them one day but so far every one I've kilt has fallen to either a 308 win or 260 Remington. Some would argue the 308 is too much gun for deer and I'd tend to agree but it works just fine without unnecessary meat damage with a decent bullet and shot placement. Same could be said for the magnums. Obviously all this goes out the window for long range hunting as some on the list become too slow and some become just about right.
 
I think it's to much gun when you see the shooter noticeably flinching while trying to pull the trigger.
 
I have shot gophers with a 450 Ackley Magnum with 500 gn bullets at 2500 fps......what does that tell ya !!!!!!!!

I have always subscribed to the principal that I don't get enough time hunting as I want...therefore if I do see an animal at 400 mtrs or a "not so good" quartering away position, I really don't want to have to forgo the shot as I may not get the opportunity again that year. I therefore generally carry a rifle in a cartridge that will still be effective at 400 mtrs using a bullet that will penetrate far enough for a clean kill on a quartering away angle. I have never felt any negative effects if the animal in question is only 50 mtrs away either. My super duper magnum still kills it perfectly dead. My motto also takes care of any grizzly concerns as well, and they have been a very real concern in a lot of areas I have spent a great deal of time hunting.

There is nothing wrong with using a rifle and cartridge capable of taking advantage of any scenario that game may present itself to the hunter, whether it is at 25 mtrs or 450 mtrs, broadside or quartering away or looking straight on and also being appropriate for any game on license and open in the area being hunted. My choice for many, many years has been the 30 cal magnums and for the past 30 years that would be the Wby using 200 gn bullets...........what can I say it works without question or reservation on all NA game, and 99% of all game world wide.

Too much gun was evidenced in a video I watched a while back showing US snipers in Afghanistan shooting Marco Polo sheep at a couple thousand meters with .50s. Don't know what kind of ordinance they were using but one would have had to do an extensive search to find all the pieces of the sheep they hit. It looked like the same effect as hitting a gopher mid ship with a 60 gn 6mm bullet from a 6-284 at right around 4000 fps.......
 
found the video after a little looking... wow... just wow.

I have shot gophers with a 450 Ackley Magnum with 500 gn bullets at 2500 fps......what does that tell ya !!!!!!!!

I have always subscribed to the principal that I don't get enough time hunting as I want...therefore if I do see an animal at 400 mtrs or a "not so good" quartering away position, I really don't want to have to forgo the shot as I may not get the opportunity again that year. I therefore generally carry a rifle in a cartridge that will still be effective at 400 mtrs using a bullet that will penetrate far enough for a clean kill on a quartering away angle. I have never felt any negative effects if the animal in question is only 50 mtrs away either. My super duper magnum still kills it perfectly dead. My motto also takes care of any grizzly concerns as well, and they have been a very real concern in a lot of areas I have spent a great deal of time hunting.

There is nothing wrong with using a rifle and cartridge capable of taking advantage of any scenario that game may present itself to the hunter, whether it is at 25 mtrs or 450 mtrs, broadside or quartering away or looking straight on and also being appropriate for any game on license and open in the area being hunted. My choice for many, many years has been the 30 cal magnums and for the past 30 years that would be the Wby using 200 gn bullets...........what can I say it works without question or reservation on all NA game, and 99% of all game world wide.

Too much gun was evidenced in a video I watched a while back showing US snipers in Afghanistan shooting Marco Polo sheep at a couple thousand meters with .50s. Don't know what kind of ordinance they were using but one would have had to do an extensive search to find all the pieces of the sheep they hit. It looked like the same effect as hitting a gopher mid ship with a 60 gn 6mm bullet from a 6-284 at right around 4000 fps.......
 
Regardless of what one shoots, there is always going to be a gun out there that shoots a bigger bullet going faster.
At a point along that line, we all stop at a level we consider appropriate.
The only problem arises when someone determines get are better because they shoot a bigger, smaller, faster, slower bullet. I have yet to see a gun make the hunter yet.
 
I think a lot of us when we started hunting either started out with a rifle that was passed down or what we could afford. caliper mostly did not have much say in what we got. as long as it was suitable for the game in our area.
It is only after we have been shooting/hunting for a while that we started looking for something else. It would be something that struck our fancy or something we read about ETC. I started out with a 30.06 as I got a great deal on it. When I moved to an area with a diverse selection of game I went looking for something that would be suitable for big bear as the area was full of them. ( a just in case thing) I ended up with a .300 Win Mag. but again price was the big factor. Now it more like " that looks interesting"
 
When is 'enough gun' 'too much gun'?

How about when the cartridge grossly exceeds the power needed for the game class being hunted? A .375 H&H Magnum for gophers instead of a .338 Win .Mag.? :p

https://1source.basspro.com/index.p...le-caliber-chart-to-pick-the-ammo-for-hunting
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Apparently, according to the graphic above, a .30-06 (or .308/7mmRM/.270) is NOT "the right calibre" for moose.

If they were still alive, then I would communicate this important fact to my granddad & my dad,
.. who (I'm now embarrassed to say) killed dozens with a .44-40 and a .30-30
Yes, they were both crack shots & pro. hunting guides.
And yes, when living on the homestead in the North, they used these to put moosemeat on the table
But clearly they were wrong.
 
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