M1A in 6.5 Creedmore
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, with your 6.5 M1A will surely burn a barrel out pdq. A fool and his money .......
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SAI tried 243 in the 80’s iirc, it wasn’t a huge seller then.... we shall see how this one goes.
The 6.5 Creed is in vogue right now. I believe a well built rifle would shoot reasonable well. @ 1000y.... I’m not so sure....
John
The 6.5 Creed is in vogue right now. I believe a well built rifle would shoot reasonable well. @ 1000y.... I’m not so sure....
John
Because 6.5 CM has the ballistics of 300 win mag with less recoil than a 308. If they can build it well enough to take advantage of what the cartridge can offer it's going to be awesome but more likely it will just be another fancy cartridge in a rifle that can't do better than 1.5-2 moa without spending more time and money accurizing it.
I have a Modern Hunter in 6.5CM that can print pretty consistent 1 moa groups and a friend of mine is printing 1/4 moa at 400 yards with his custom built bolt gun so the cartridge has a lot of potential but I'm not sure an M1A can utilize what the cartridge can offer. Regardless it will still outperform the same rifle chambered in 308.
I have a Modern Hunter in 6.5CM that can print pretty consistent 1 moa groups and a friend of mine is printing 1/4 moa at 400 yards with his custom built bolt gun so the cartridge has a lot of potential but I'm not sure an M1A can utilize what the cartridge can offer. Regardless it will still outperform the same rifle chambered in 308.
another calibre wasted on this action..... first someone brings us a x39 abortion and now this ?
who in thier right mind would build an m14 in 6.5?
seems a marketting gimic and nothing more. how they cam up with 6.5 instead of say.... 7mm08 ?
243, 260, 7-08 and 338fed would be wayyyyy smarter choices for this platform but you know... 6.5 is the new fad round so i guess this is sproingfield trying to stay relevant?
I'll pass.
who in thier right mind would build an m14 in 6.5?
seems a marketting gimic and nothing more. how they cam up with 6.5 instead of say.... 7mm08 ?
243, 260, 7-08 and 338fed would be wayyyyy smarter choices for this platform but you know... 6.5 is the new fad round so i guess this is sproingfield trying to stay relevant?
I'll pass.
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The 6.5 creed has been called an “improved” 260. Dame bore dia. Better barrel life, etc etc. basically it’s a 260 with a different shoulder and longer neck. The H2O capacity is with-in 2 gr. iirc.
John
I'd have to double check but I think the load data is almost identical
I'd love a 7-08 barrel for one of my Norc's
I agree that the x39 is an abortion but an M14 in 6.5 Creed would be sweet, imo. It would be better than a .260 as you'd be able to run your rounds at mag length without having the bullet as far back into the neck as you would with a .260 and the ballistics/barrel life are nearly identical. If I was starting out from scratch and had any interest in long range, I'd snap up a 6.5 over a .308 any day. Sure barrel life isn't as good but you'd still get 3k rounds before you noticed anything amiss which is roughly twice what you'd get from a .243. Hell, if my M14 was in 6.5, I might actually be able to dial past 800 yards instead of maxing out my elevation and holding over 1/2 a mil or so, haha.
6.5 could be cool I would have to retool for it.
243 id like for myself i have great understanding of 243 round from past reloading , When i think of a 243 in a battle rifle i just get this picture of perfect because of low low recoil.
I mean really if the M14 original had been a 243 they might have actually succeeded in making it a full auto everything rifle and not moved onto 5.65x45mm M16's.
I know i know 6.5 isnt a huge recoil difference vs 243 , but it is "some" And noticeable too , for what the M14 was originally made for the 243 would have been a way better choice . same cartridge etc as 308 with different necking is a bonus.
243 id like for myself i have great understanding of 243 round from past reloading , When i think of a 243 in a battle rifle i just get this picture of perfect because of low low recoil.
I mean really if the M14 original had been a 243 they might have actually succeeded in making it a full auto everything rifle and not moved onto 5.65x45mm M16's.
I know i know 6.5 isnt a huge recoil difference vs 243 , but it is "some" And noticeable too , for what the M14 was originally made for the 243 would have been a way better choice . same cartridge etc as 308 with different necking is a bonus.
See I'd be curious to see what kinda barrel life you'd get out of, say, a chrome lined .243 barrel. When it comes to precision bolt guns with mainly SS barrels, anything in 6mm like a .243 cooks a barrel in about 1500 rounds. Now I know we're dealing with a battle rifle here so different accuracy expectations but I would think the bore degradation would be the same. I can only imagine how fast you would cook it in full-auto!
An 18.5" 6.5 Creedmoor would handily outperform a 22" .308Win
I like the 6.5cm and love how my Modern Hunter is performing with it. The problem I see with it in an M14/M1A is that in order for the cartridge to really show it's superiority over a 308 it needs to be shot at 1000 yards and to make an M14/M1A accurate enough to make it worth while it would need a lot of work done to it which means lot's of money. In a 2-3 moa rifle you're just kinda spinning your wheels.
My buddy has a custom built bolt gun in 6.5cm and he's printing 1/4 moa groups at 400+ yards, that's the kind of rifle you need for the 6.5. Even my MH has so far only shown me groups around 1 moa which I think is great for a semi auto but really isn't doing the cartridge justice. I will continue with more load development this spring and try some better projectiles but doubt I'll ever see anything like buddy's bolt gun.
I'm considering selling my 300win rifle to build a 6.5cm since trajectory is very similar with much less recoil and way less powder burned per round.
Some rifles aren't really suited to the latest greatest wonder cartridge and I think the M14/M1A is one of those cases, unless of course you're willing to spend big money on the rifle. The biggest problem will be the factory barrel, there's only so much you can do with one and finding a good aftermarket barrel for the rifle in 6.5 is probably not an easy task.
I wouldn't go less than 20 inch, it's a long range cartridge and you need the muzzle velocity to carry it out past 1000 yards, otherwise you may as well just save a bunch of money and keep shooting 308.
But yes, I think an 18.5" 6.5 would still outperform a 22" 308, just maybe not by enough to make it worth the trouble.
My buddy has a custom built bolt gun in 6.5cm and he's printing 1/4 moa groups at 400+ yards, that's the kind of rifle you need for the 6.5. Even my MH has so far only shown me groups around 1 moa which I think is great for a semi auto but really isn't doing the cartridge justice. I will continue with more load development this spring and try some better projectiles but doubt I'll ever see anything like buddy's bolt gun.
I'm considering selling my 300win rifle to build a 6.5cm since trajectory is very similar with much less recoil and way less powder burned per round.
Some rifles aren't really suited to the latest greatest wonder cartridge and I think the M14/M1A is one of those cases, unless of course you're willing to spend big money on the rifle. The biggest problem will be the factory barrel, there's only so much you can do with one and finding a good aftermarket barrel for the rifle in 6.5 is probably not an easy task.
I wouldn't go less than 20 inch, it's a long range cartridge and you need the muzzle velocity to carry it out past 1000 yards, otherwise you may as well just save a bunch of money and keep shooting 308.
But yes, I think an 18.5" 6.5 would still outperform a 22" 308, just maybe not by enough to make it worth the trouble.
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They did have rifles chambered in .243 Win and 7mm-08 Rem back in the 80's and 90's.
I don't think that they sold very well back then either.
I find interest in reading these posts...
Folks enjoying the hobby spending large amounts of money chasing the dream of a laser shooting caliber/rifle/chamber etc...at ranges which offer little return other than the.....ping sound..
Then I recall the last 25 years of shooting my 1900 actioned Husqvarna in .25-06 and the meat it puts in the freezer.....
400 yards is a norm for this rifle. 115 grain ballistic silvertips. Neck shots. Drop while they're chewing....
Not sure where you can find 1000 yard ranges. Not sure where you will find them on flat and honest ground. Expect that your rangefinder's are special. Unless you are an employed sniper ... always wondered why anyone would want a 1000 yard (supposed) rifle...other than an employed sniper.....cause a meat shooter ain't going to take that shot.....
Interestingly this extreme range hobby is flourishing....
Folks enjoying the hobby spending large amounts of money chasing the dream of a laser shooting caliber/rifle/chamber etc...at ranges which offer little return other than the.....ping sound..
Then I recall the last 25 years of shooting my 1900 actioned Husqvarna in .25-06 and the meat it puts in the freezer.....
400 yards is a norm for this rifle. 115 grain ballistic silvertips. Neck shots. Drop while they're chewing....
Not sure where you can find 1000 yard ranges. Not sure where you will find them on flat and honest ground. Expect that your rangefinder's are special. Unless you are an employed sniper ... always wondered why anyone would want a 1000 yard (supposed) rifle...other than an employed sniper.....cause a meat shooter ain't going to take that shot.....
Interestingly this extreme range hobby is flourishing....
