You Don't Own A Type 81 - You Can't Speak For Us
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Nothing wrong with owning multiples, when it's a quality piece like a 858, or if you want a showpiece or because you think it looks cool or whatever collector reason, from a serious shooter standpoint buying additional junk when you could be spending it on a course or more ammo is a waste of money. someone that owns all 3 of the models seem to have lucked out on the vz front although odds are they aren't the smartest cookies either.
The arguements presented by the 81 apologists and fanboys definitely lack intellect of any sort that much is obvious through some 30+ pages now.
And you have already given me evidence your gun is unreliable. And cr5 seems to have had stoppages as well. And that's just what we heard about. I can look for more there probably is more in the forum, I can't be bothered. But I hear this guy klaus enuff had a gun that choked before he even dumped a crate through his gun.
Good god. Are you 21 yet?
Tell you what - let's see a pic of your t81, 858 and AKM all together with today's newspaper.
Do that and I publicly acknowledge you know what your talking about and will never post in this thread again.
Should be easy to prove your claims, yeah?
Now we are talking about M10X? I'll take a T 81 over an M10X anyday.
You mean a gun that is currently bought and sold in Canada vs a vaporware gun that may one day be sold here?
No brainer.
Characterize and try to skew the reports coming in all you want, it says more about you than me. People can make their own opinions and this thread gives them a lot to go on. My two reported issues and your take on them speaks volumes. Your Confirmation Bias is so strong you can't even twist fact to support your narrative, you have to make up your own reality. Quite frankly that crosses over into the delusional.
Still waiting for anything close to fact to come from you. It doesn't have to be today but I still expect you to provide us all with the correct manual of arms and immediate action drills for the AK or similar.
Or even just quote a 81 owner who has reported a non-functioning piece of ####. And no, my 2 very slight issues during a break in period do not count, no matter how much you try to exaggerate. I expect my 81 to perform the same as me SKS and 858, both of which had paperweight stoppages in their early round counts, but not in the last few crates.
r34skyline
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Don't own an akm. They are prohib here in case you didn't know. And if you read my previous comment you would know I don't have any desire to own a t81... or any norc product for that matter.
But you say it's a great rifle. Alright. You can bring it to a rifle course or to a 3gun comp. Lets see how awesome it is and whether you know what you are talking about.
For someone who doesn't want one you sure do have the T-81 fever... your T-81 obsessed champ!
The Type 81's one-inch-longer barrel helps to improve accuracy over the kalashnikov design by increasing the muzzle velocity by 33 fps over the Type 56 (AK47).
Unlike the SKS the Type 81 uses a Kalashnikov-style two-lug rotating design and a large bolt carrier that resembles the Dragunov SVD. The return spring and guide rod are based on that of the AK. With these design features range test have shown the Type 81 to be 40 percent more accurate than the AK family at 300 meters.
Durability and reliability requirements exceed the AK family in many ways. The receiver of the Type 81 is made from 1.5mm steel stampings instead of the AKM's one millimeter, with an extra latitudinal folding added to the sides for strength. A massive trunnion connects the barrel to the receiver, and it also provides the locking slots for the bolt to lock the action.
The entire gas system and barrel are hard chromed, and everything else is blued (although the bluing is thin). The Type 81's gas regulator can also be placed on a high setting when more energy is needed to cycle the weapon under adverse conditions. The Type 81 was built to last 20,000 rounds. Canadians shooting 5 rounds a mag and in semi-auto will never wear out the receiver or barrel. It is built with the same machines that manufacture the Chinese AK (Type 56) and has the same loose tolerance, the same level of reliability in adverse conditions.
The Type 81 trigger mechanism is loosely based on the AK's trigger. The Type 81's selector is much more conveniently located on the left side of the receiver then that of the AK. Compared to the selector on the AK, the Type 81's smaller thumb selector is much less clunky and faster to use.
The fit and finish is about the same as a Type 56 (AK47) or AKM.
The rifle is longer and slightly heavier than the AKM but lighter than the milled-receiver AK47. Its accuracy is not bad for a stamped-receiver rifle, and it is on par with many Kalashnikov variants.
I am amazed that we can even get our hands on it!
Slide1 by Shawn Douglas, on Flickr
Unlike the SKS the Type 81 uses a Kalashnikov-style two-lug rotating design and a large bolt carrier that resembles the Dragunov SVD. The return spring and guide rod are based on that of the AK. With these design features range test have shown the Type 81 to be 40 percent more accurate than the AK family at 300 meters.
Durability and reliability requirements exceed the AK family in many ways. The receiver of the Type 81 is made from 1.5mm steel stampings instead of the AKM's one millimeter, with an extra latitudinal folding added to the sides for strength. A massive trunnion connects the barrel to the receiver, and it also provides the locking slots for the bolt to lock the action.
The entire gas system and barrel are hard chromed, and everything else is blued (although the bluing is thin). The Type 81's gas regulator can also be placed on a high setting when more energy is needed to cycle the weapon under adverse conditions. The Type 81 was built to last 20,000 rounds. Canadians shooting 5 rounds a mag and in semi-auto will never wear out the receiver or barrel. It is built with the same machines that manufacture the Chinese AK (Type 56) and has the same loose tolerance, the same level of reliability in adverse conditions.
The Type 81 trigger mechanism is loosely based on the AK's trigger. The Type 81's selector is much more conveniently located on the left side of the receiver then that of the AK. Compared to the selector on the AK, the Type 81's smaller thumb selector is much less clunky and faster to use.
The fit and finish is about the same as a Type 56 (AK47) or AKM.
The rifle is longer and slightly heavier than the AKM but lighter than the milled-receiver AK47. Its accuracy is not bad for a stamped-receiver rifle, and it is on par with many Kalashnikov variants.
I am amazed that we can even get our hands on it!
Slide1 by Shawn Douglas, on Flickr1) Lots of people in Canada own prohib AKs. You talk like it's akin to having the holy grail - it's not. It's just a matter of age discrimination by the feds. Only reason I don't have one today is because I randomly didn't own one in 1994. But I was elligible to, and had owned them prior to that. Many people (like me) also have access to them in the USA through family and friends who live there.
2) the bolded text tells anyone reading this thread everything they need to know about your opinion on the T81. That is to say, it's speculation and uninformed.
3) No rock/lock gun will beat an AR variant in 3 gun. Not ever, if everything else were equal. When I shoot 3 gun, I run an AR like almost everyone else. There's a reason why - it's faster. Any properly assembled gun is accurate enough for 3 gun, the limiter is speed. But of course you knew that, right? You DO shoot 3 gun before spouting off about it, right?
Yet you continue to come back to a t81 forum. Why bother wasting your own time talking nonsense if you have no interest in owning a norinco. Some idiots never left the playground.
T81 has a 9:1 post-relative post ratio by my count. Gotta filter threw this garbage to see stuff relevant to me and my t81 platform.
Some fun pics of my 7.62's...
IMG_3662 by Shawn Douglas, on Flickr
IMG_3663 by Shawn Douglas, on Flickr
IMG_3664 by Shawn Douglas, on Flickr
IMG_3665 by Shawn Douglas, on Flickr
IMG_3666 by Shawn Douglas, on Flickr
IMG_3667 by Shawn Douglas, on Flickr
IMG_3668 by Shawn Douglas, on Flickr
IMG_3669 by Shawn Douglas, on Flickr
IMG_3670 by Shawn Douglas, on Flickr
IMG_3671 by Shawn Douglas, on Flickr
IMG_3662 by Shawn Douglas, on FlickrIMG_3663 by Shawn Douglas, on FlickrIMG_3664 by Shawn Douglas, on FlickrIMG_3665 by Shawn Douglas, on FlickrIMG_3666 by Shawn Douglas, on FlickrIMG_3667 by Shawn Douglas, on FlickrIMG_3668 by Shawn Douglas, on FlickrIMG_3669 by Shawn Douglas, on FlickrIMG_3670 by Shawn Douglas, on FlickrIMG_3671 by Shawn Douglas, on Flickr^^^^ Damn, excellent photo layouts, I really like how you did it by system ie gas, springs, bolt etc
I wish I could do the photo thing
Thanks... Just upload to a free Flickr account - then click share - it will give you three links you can copy - copy the link called BBcode - paste the link here
angrysoldier
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Or gecko45
Epic. Love the photo proof that you are entitled to claim an informed opinion
I have to be honest with you guys and this thread. I think it's completely ridiculous that people think you have to own something to be able to make an informed decision. It's as if society has taken a stupid pill. Those who are doomed to lose in life make uninformed decisions and then hope the consequences work out. Those who are successful do their research first and make informed decisions. In the case of firearms, cost, quality, accuracy etc are all of concern. You don't need to own a firearm to be able to make a decision on whether or not it's a good purchase. We've all made good purchases and bad. Most of the bad ones are likely the "impulse buy" rather than the research choice.
In fact the only reason I post on forums is to try and avoid making those poor decisions. However lately it seems to be about justifying one's purchase than the reality. I would also add that having experience with the other firearms in the same category does give one a base to make an informed decision. This last part might even be more important than just "owning" one if it's the only firearm in the category you have ever owned then what basis does one have to compare it? Using the logic of this thread I can't say the Ford Pinto is a dangerous POS since I never owned one. I guess I can't say cigarettes are cancer causing and dangerous to my health either since I don't smoke and haven't had cancer. Yet I think most of us can agree that both would be poor decisions even without first hand experience.
Anyways I look forward to some actual reviews on these firearms. Not just the "preview stuff" that seems to pass these days as an actual review. I'm glad you early adopters have these rifles. But you can expect lively debate on it's merits/pitfalls, especially from those who don't own one. It's the process people go through when trying to decide if they are going to buy or not. I'm continuing to read these threads, because I haven't decided yet whether or not a T81 is a decent buy. Especially when I already own a SKS (not my favourite firearm by the way) and a CZ858 which I do really like. Jury is still out for me on these firearms. If they were $700 it would be a lot easier to take the risk.
SKS45, I hate the premise of this thread, but do like your posts. Thanks for the comparison between the sks, CZ and the T81. I own two of the three. Still on the fence though for the third.
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I think you misunderstand. Nobody said you had to own something to make informed decisions, but you should have first hand experience before condemning those that DO own something and have real world experience of that thing.
For someone to come here and say that because it's Chinese it has to be garbage and then pester everyone while stating repeatedly they have no interest in Chinese rifles, in the freaking red rifle forum no less, is just rude and ignorant.
If you have an uninformed or inexperienced viewpoint, fine, state your piece (once) and then move on.
Is that more helpful in seeing my viewpoint? For my sctual review thread, just look further down the page.
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