Reloading 9mm for shadow 1 and campro’s

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Reloading 9mm for shadow 1 and campro’s

I’m looking for advise from anyone that has reloaded 9mm using titegroup and campro’s for a shadow 1. My question is really around bullet weight, should I go with 147g or 124g projectiles. I’ve never fired 147’s and want to give it a try but buying 1000 to find out the hard way that it is a bad decision is a waste of time and money. Is there anything I need to know?

I’m also wondering about min power, without a chrono I need to ask for someone else’s receipe for those two bullets weights to make min (I’ll have to take a chance and hope that my shadow is performing the same). I ask because want to get my black badge this summer.

I’m getting my hands on once fired blazer brass if that matters at all. CCI primers.

Any tips would be appreciated.

Thanks
 
Weird. I just reloaded my first batch of 124 grain Campros, in once fired blazer brass, using Titegroup, with CCI primers. Lol

I loaded 10 at 3.6 grains, 10 at 3.8, and 10 at 4.0. Also hoping to get my Black Badge this summer. I'll keep an eye on this thread, as I also don't own a chronoraph :)
 
No significant performance difference between the two. Some will say that the 147s will Push vs Snap compared to the 124s but I never experienced that with my Shadow 1. I swapped between the two, based on what was cheaper and didn't really notice. I'd say pick one and stick with it. I don't think one will give you a practical advantage or disadvantage compared to the other. Training with the same one is the key.
Should be easy to find a good starting load, I can't remember mine but its safer to build your own up. You'll probably end up towards the max range if you want to guess, but still work it up to be safe. The range where you do your black badge might have chrony setup for your to try out. You can have a bunch of different loads ready to test on that day if you're not sure.
 
I'm using 4.0 gr Titegroup with Campro 124 gn HP projectiles in my Shadow SP01. Cronys around 1050 fps. Seating to 1.095. Unfortunately, I've never used the 147's so I can't offer an opinion
 
Skel said:
I'm using 4.0 gr Titegroup with Campro 124 gn HP projectiles in my Shadow SP01. Cronys around 1050 fps. Seating to 1.095. Unfortunately, I've never used the 147's so I can't offer an opinion
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I get the same thing with 124grn RN.

Get a chrony guys. A cheap one is 100$, that's peanut. It's a cost of reloading, just like your press or dies.
 
Skel said:
I'm using 4.0 gr Titegroup with Campro 124 gn HP projectiles in my Shadow SP01. Cronys around 1050 fps. Seating to 1.095. Unfortunately, I've never used the 147's so I can't offer an opinion
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Uhh... My Lee manual lists 1.151" as minimum OAL??

Edit Fack, HP. Neeevermind.
 
CFE Pistol gets used by some guys who are running 9mm Major. I don't know anyone who shoots 9mm Minor with it as I think it likes being "closer" to maximum for clean-burning performance. I know you need about 1.5 grains more powder then Titegroup to get you to the same velocity. That adds up over 1,000's of rounds

I load for my Shadow at 1.095" also, I run 3.9 grains of Titegroup. I found that it works reliably and is still very accurate. I have two Shadow "1" and they run about 15 FPS difference in velocity. Just ensure you consistently crimp in the vicinity of .378" +/- 0.001" and that will help with consistent velocity. Do not over crimp!
 
I am pushing 147 with titegroup through my SP01 Shadow.
No issues. I run mine in steel challenge. Doesnt slow me down at all.
Just make sure your formula is reliable in your pistol and you are golden.
 
Most of the IPSC guys local to me run the 147's in their Shadow and Shadow 2's. The prevailing theory is heavier bullet needs less powder to make PF which = less felt recoil, I've tested both and prefer the 147 but the difference is very minimal. The reality is either will work just fine and is more a matter of personal preference. With 124's I would load 4.0 gn of Titegroup or 4.1 gn of N320 @ 1.140, with 147's I would load 3.3gn of Titegroup or 3.5 gn of N320 @ 1.110 all of those loads would comfortably make PF in all of my Shadows.
 
The 147gr bullet will likely shoot a little high at 20+ yards when compared to the 124gr bullet but I still prefer the feel of 147gr. Here's some of my data:

FIREARMBRASSPRIMERPOWDERLOADPROJECTILEOALAVGESSDPFTEMP
Ruger SR9/9EMixedFiocchiTitegroup3.2grCamPro 147gr RNFP1.135834301012227° C
Ruger SR9/9EMixedFiocchiTitegroup3.4grCamPro 147gr RNFP1.13586518512727° C
Ruger SR9/9EMixedFiocchiTitegroup3.6grCamPro 147gr RNFP1.1359008213223° C

Remember, the SR9 has a 4" barrel so you'll get more velocity out of the Shadow's barrel. If I didn't have a chrono, like yourself, I would load 3.4gr of Titegroup with a CamPro 147gr and feel good about making PF.

P.S. Ignore all listed OAL in manuals/data, it's useless information. Always find your own OAL.
 
4n2t0 said:
If I didn't have a chrono, like yourself, I would load 3.4gr of Titegroup with a CamPro 147gr and feel good about making PF.
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He would definitely make PF at 3.4 of TG. 3.3 gn of TG in my Shadow made 134 PF and that same load in both my Shadow 2's made 132 PF. If you get hooked in with some locals that shoot IPSC at your range it is very likely someone has a chrony and will run some rounds over it for you.
 
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When guessing there's no need to shoot for rock bottom.
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I was simply pointing out he can likely safely go at least .1 gn under your advice and still be very comfortable instead of loading hot. The 3.3 gn load is already at 134 PF significantly above rock bottom and never failed to make PF at multiple level III matches for me.
 
Chilidip said:
I was simply pointing out he can likely safely go at least .1 gn under your advice and still be very comfortable instead of loading hot. The 3.3 gn load is already at 134 PF significantly above rock bottom and never failed to make PF at multiple level III matches for me.
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I wouldn't want to get banned...
 
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Just run 3.5 and get an even 2000rds out of a lb. Makes the math easy. I run 3.5n titegroup, 147g Campro, 1.090” out of shadow 1 and 2.

Follow 4n2t0’s advice about finding your own COL, or see if 1.090” will work for you - that’s just going off Campro’s load data, and both my barrels plunk test fine.

If you don’t want 147s, I’ll buy them off you.
 
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