Have I made a mistake? Second guessing myself now.

jjohnwm said:
Holy Crap! Airskinning looks like the best idea since sliced toilet paper; I am trying that ASAP! :)

As far as the original question goes: less analyzing and more shooting...with any of those guns...will do you a world of good. You can't "math" a coyote to death, you gotta shoot him.

And it's a hoot to hear a newer shooter oohing and aahing over the .25-06; it's been around as a factory cartridge for 45 or 50 years, much longer as a wildcat. It was the top choice in a high-velocity round back then, and still a great choice today...plus, it's apparently become new and exotic again!

But it'll be a shame when you buy one and expect your older shooting compadres to faint with the shock of seeing it...and they just say "That's nice..." :)
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rral22 said:
Yeah, there will not be all that astonishment about a .25-06 in most circles, except for the strong conviction it may be a bit too much for coyotes. One day you may want to sell one. They make a just fine deer and antelope round for sure. I know several people using the cartridge, but I know no one using it for specifically for coyotes. The .243 gets some use, but most of my hunting acquaintances are into .22 centerfires from the .223 to the one Swift. One is experimenting with the .204, but no really definitive reviews for him at this point.
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Lol ive been in the firearms world for about 4 years. Im staggered no one has ever mentioned it. My aunt and uncle have a collection well over 300. Father grew up around firearms. Tons of friends and family who hunt and or are into firearms.

I have dream coyote build in mind now. It is using the 22-250 50 grain super performance from hornady lol
 
Canadiankeeper said:
Lol ive been in the firearms world for about 4 years. Im staggered no one has ever mentioned it. My aunt and uncle have a collection well over 300. Father grew up around firearms. Tons of friends and family who hunt and or are into firearms.

I have dream coyote build in mind now. It is using the 22-250 50 grain super performance from hornady lol
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That would be a very solid choice for coyotes. My .22-250 likes 55 grain Ballistic Tips. They work quite well too.
 
rral22 said:
That would be a very solid choice for coyotes. My .22-250 likes 55 grain Ballistic Tips. They work quite well too.
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Yea, im draming up a remington 700 SPS varmint 26" barrel in 22-250. Drop it in some chassis, likely just a magpul hunter. Of cource a timmney trigger.
Run that super performance round.

Have one screaming fast and flat shooting rifle.
 
Canadiankeeper said:
Yea, im draming up a remington 700 SPS varmint 26" barrel in 22-250. Drop it in some chassis, likely just a magpul hunter. Of cource a timmney trigger.
Run that super performance round.

Have one screaming fast and flat shooting rifle.
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If your into screaming fast and a flat trajectory, look no further than a 257 Weatherby Magnum.
 
Canadiankeeper said:
Yea, im draming up a remington 700 SPS varmint 26" barrel in 22-250. Drop it in some chassis, likely just a magpul hunter. Of cource a timmney trigger.
Run that super performance round.

Have one screaming fast and flat shooting rifle.
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I really like the 22-250.... the Rem SPS not so much......

I am admitedly no longer a rem fan, but can see the appeal of all of the custom options available for them...... And they do shoot.....

If you are set on a 700, get a better starter than an SPS, or even just an action.... The SPS rusts if you look at it funny.... terrible finish....
 
Canadiankeeper said:
It is nice but has a little more drop then the 22-250 Super performance.
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But a lot more game taking potential at long ranges. Everything is a trade off.

Long ago I quit worrying about the often very small differences in trajectory of many rounds. If you know the ballistics of whatever you are shooting, and the distance to the target, you can easily compensate for an inch difference at whatever distance. You will have to be holding for that distance anyway, if you want to hit, so minor differences at 400 yards or more are less important than understanding what will happen when that bullet gets there. It's possible to hit something at 400 yards with a 45-70 if you know your stuff. If you don't know your stuff, the drop table differences between a .22-250 and the 257Wby (which is certainly flat enough for any use with light bullets) are meaningless when deciding which is best for your purposes. You can compensate for trajectory; you can't change terminal ballistics. Trade offs.
 
Lots of people think that the 6PPC or the 6NormaBR are pretty fine cartridges ... 243W is the same on steroids. Dont be surprised - by being surprised at its effectiveness - it didnt just fall off the turnip truck yesterday
 
Canadiankeeper said:
It is nice but has a little more drop then the 22-250 Super performance.
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Loaded with a barnes 80 gr ttsx sighted in 2" high at 200 yds it will be bang on at 300 and 6.5" low at 400. The 257 weatherby is more versatile than a 22-250, you could hunt deer, goat, sheep, antelope even elk in a pinch, and still be able to knock a coyote down at a quarter mile. If your not worried about pelt damage the 257 bee is an option as is a 25-06.
 
Superbrad said:
I really like the 22-250.... the Rem SPS not so much......

I am admitedly no longer a rem fan, but can see the appeal of all of the custom options available for them...... And they do shoot.....

If you are set on a 700, get a better starter than an SPS, or even just an action.... The SPS rusts if you look at it funny.... terrible finish....
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Damn, I liked the 26" barrel. Seems everywhere I look its 22" or max 24"
 
rral22 said:
But a lot more game taking potential at long ranges. Everything is a trade off.

Long ago I quit worrying about the often very small differences in trajectory of many rounds. If you know the ballistics of whatever you are shooting, and the distance to the target, you can easily compensate for an inch difference at whatever distance. You will have to be holding for that distance anyway, if you want to hit, so minor differences at 400 yards or more are less important than understanding what will happen when that bullet gets there. It's possible to hit something at 400 yards with a 45-70 if you know your stuff. If you don't know your stuff, the drop table differences between a .22-250 and the 257Wby (which is certainly flat enough for any use with light bullets) are meaningless when deciding which is best for your purposes. You can compensate for trajectory; you can't change terminal ballistics. Trade offs.
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AP said:
Lots of people think that the 6PPC or the 6NormaBR are pretty fine cartridges ... 243W is the same on steroids. Dont be surprised - by being surprised at its effectiveness - it didnt just fall off the turnip truck yesterday
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pete dobinson said:
Loaded with a barnes 80 gr ttsx sighted in 2" high at 200 yds it will be bang on at 300 and 6.5" low at 400. The 257 weatherby is more versatile than a 22-250, you could hunt deer, goat, sheep, antelope even elk in a pinch, and still be able to knock a coyote down at a quarter mile. If your not worried about pelt damage the 257 bee is an option as is a 25-06.
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im not super worried about taking anything but yotes with this rifle.

I have looked at the 243 a lot because it is very similar to the 22-250.

Bullet weight will reduce wind drift a bit, but so will a shorted flight time with a faster round.

Ideally im looking for a round to sight in at 200 and be able to put cross hairs on fur 300 and under and drop the critter.
 
Canadiankeeper said:
I blame this on my constant over analyzation of everything.

So, my outing this morning was successful. Took the first coyote with my 6.5 Creedmoor.

Now, im not out here trying to save pelts. I did require a second shot though... My hit was a bit low. Requiring a second to stop the spinning song dog.

I normally use a 223. I sold it opting for the 6.5 CM because it preforms better in the wind. I did this in the fall. Thinking im some super sniper who is going to be shooting coyotes at 800 yards and farther also forgetting punching paper is different then flesh. A bench is different from a butt cushion.

Hitting this yote a little off the mark and it making one heck of a mess made me question my choice in caliber. Yes it works. Its it optimal though ?

Just going off Hornady Charts (all I shoot anyways) and using the ammo I have used or would use it would seem there may be a bit better.

200 yard zero

Rem 223 55 grain vmax
300 yards -7 inch drop
400 yards - 21 inch drop
500 Yards - 45 inch drop

6.5 CM 120 ELD Match
300 -7 drop
400 -20 drop
500 -40 drop

So a slight improvement in the 6.5 .. This is on the 24" barrel though. So mine is a bit off, with only a 20 inch barrel.
Obviously the 6.5 will not get pushed around as much by the wind also. With the short barrel though I dont see much of a flatter line in shooting distance.

It got me thinking, a lot of the die hard guys use 22-250. They are also keeping the pelts and selling them. So I took a peek.

22-250 55 grain V max
300 -5 inch drop
400 -15 inch drop
500 -33 inch drop

An obviously flatter shooting cartridge. I thought they where expensive though ? *checks legs prices* 30 bucks a box...

hmmm... Lets throw the round I know some of you are thinking in here.

243. Win in a 58 Grain V max
300 -4 inch drop
400 -12 inch drop
500 -29 inch drop

Well then... It would appear the 243 ballistics are the flattest. Im not worried about energy because all of them will drop a yote in 500 yards.

Now I reasoned with myself the 6.5 is a do it all rifle in Canada. I can hunt almost everything with it. Realistically.... I dont hunt much in SWO but small game, waterfowl and yotes.

So we have seen the 243. Win has the best ballistics... How is it for price ? *checks lgs*

223 $30
22-250 $30
243 $40
6.5 CM $41

Hmm so the 223 and the 22-250 are the lowest in price... I Can recall a time 22-250 was going for $60 locally and wasnt on any shelf's... So that makes me weary.

The 243 and the 6.5 CM are about the same. The 243 being the ballistic superior.

Now I said the 6.5 CM is a do it all gun... Not so much for the 243... Mind you.. I haven't hunted deer or bear in YEARS. Dont see it happening any time soon either.

Laying it out, cutting off my need to have the new cool thing. I think the 6.5 CM may have been... Not the optimal choice.

Looking back... 243. Win is how I should have gone. It may be harder on the pelts up close but im out here for farmers not to make money on pelts.
10 inch less drop at 500 and 8 less at 400 over the 6.5

Where it would have made the difference I think today is that 300 yard marker.... Thats the distance I shot the yote ! lol

So I hit a bit low, that 3" inch difference on a yote is a big difference... The dog was sitting facing towards me. So that 3 inches would have been still in the boiler room and not in the guts.

Also on a side note, super sniper me here wanting a 24 power lmao. Rocking it dialed back to 10x for hunts.
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Load for 220 Swift and be enlightened!
 
Superbrad said:
If you buy an sps and it gets exposed to moisture, you will see a need within 24 hours.....
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That is BRUTAL I just looked up this issue. Seems common... Makes me sad...

Any other makes have a 26" heavy in 22-250 ?

Im looking at Savage 12 VARMINT LOW PROFILE

Wouldnt really have to do much to that rifle. Likely just switch out the stock for a chassis system eventually...
 
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