Amherstburg man fined $1K for hunting coyotes on private land

Maybe get the Govt in the West to charge all the Trespassers on the farms and ranches. If they have enough enforcement officers. They could balance the Provincial budgets.
 
What's driving the problem is all these flippen kids posing hero shots on Facebook/Instagram/etc. With coyotes, geese,deer etc.
Hunting is a status thing to these kids. They'll bend any rule to pose with a dead dog.
 
StoneHorse said:
What? The guy trespassed, that was it and was fined $1000 for it. What restitution should the land owner receive in this case?
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I'm thinking the $1000 less the appropriate administrative fees for the government part. Key phrase - land owner. Why should the government get all the money?

coyoteking said:
Maybe nothing in this specific case but that’s the exception to the rule in my experience. Most trespassers damage fences, crops, native grass, cause soil compaction and spread noxious weeds and soil borne fungus from other areas. These trespassers should be paying remuneration to the land owners.
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My formula above is what I would deem reasonably fair.
 
Trespassing is wrong and I am guilty of doing so a couple times in my younger years by sitting on the wrong side of a fence to have a better shooting opportunity at turkeys. I have no excuses, now with age and maturity I understand I was wrong and would take the fine, shut up and move on. I'm also more experienced now and understand that I can do better with less land given the right hunting style. I also have farmers and landowners as friends and understand how they feel about trespassing. I used to think it wasn't a big deal, that no one else was hunting there and no one would know but it's about more than that, for every "respectful trespasser" (which is an odd term, but those are the ones you'll never even know they were there and haven't left a trace/garbage) there are 10 disrespectful ones who will do donuts in their seeded fields, dump garbage, soil, cut grass, etc. at the end of their field, cut a fence to retrieve a deer they just shot with their truck in one of their plots, leave the gut pile and gloves, plastic bags, beer cans, etc. or go onto a pasture and leave the gate open and let cattle escape.

Most farmers (out west) will give you permission to hunt their land if you ask, especially coyotes. Now I can't say the same about Quebec and Ontario, I've lived and hunted there for years. Most landowners will not let you hunt for several reasons: they hunt themselves, they don't hunt and love animals or simply because they're tire of trespassers. Now my favourite were land owners who would give you permission only if you paid them a retarded amount of money to hunt there. I knew a land owner who charged guys 1000-2000$ to hunt deer or turkey on his land, the guy would complain year round about turkeys and deer costing him 20 000$ in wasted crops, his logic, was to charge hunters, who thinned the herd, to recoup his money. I personally disagree with it as I see it as me doing you a favour by harvesting animals that waste you crops, and you doing me a favour my allowing me to hunt. Well whether I liked it or not, it was his land, his rules and had no issues with him doing so.

He would also complain that the hunters he would get on his land were never successful, they were all "rich guys from Montreal" with no experience, who expected a canned hunt. He would get money out of them but 6 guys would shoot a doe or two over a week and that was it. Personally, I hunted his neighbours property for free and between the three of us hunting there we would shoot more turkeys or deer than all his "clients" combined. He eventually allowed us to hunt his property for free during turkey season only, he realized what 2-3 experienced hunters can do compared to 5-6 unexperienced ones, we would all bag our two toms, taking out 6 toms a year compared to the other guys who didn't really know what they were doing and shoot one or two.
 
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Any farmer in Ontario I've ever asked has let me hunt coyotes. Few times I've been told that others have permission to hunt there too and the farmer would still let me go, but I declined because I wouldn't want others hunting my spot.

Some don't mind coyotes because they keep rodent population down, but if they got cattle or pigs or chickens they know it's a magnet for coyotes and it's not worth loosing newborns just to keep the mice down
 
I have spoken to conservation officers in Ontario and trespassing with a gun is generally treated more seriously than just trespassing. Most of the charges in the last two years for trespassing to hunt have resulted in a minimum fine of $750.00....
 
GJC2017 said:
I have spoken to conservation officers in Ontario and trespassing with a gun is generally treated more seriously than just trespassing. Most of the charges in the last two years for trespassing to hunt have resulted in a minimum fine of $750.00....
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Proper thing. Half should go to the land owner. I think that coming on to my property, that I have maintained and sweated my azz off making nice trails, with out permission, is akin to stealing.
 
Probably going to get grilled for this but here goes. Problems I see are too much land in the hands of private owners, not enough public/crown accessible lands for hunting. This is something all Hunters should be worried about. Some provinces are better than others and yes you have to put your work in dig up maps be willing to go to great lengths etc. to access public/crown land in some areas. I see it all the time, new wilderness areas set aside for conservation, but guess what there is no hunting in those areas. Pretty soon Hunting will be only for land owners or the rich.
 
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