Goose guns

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finstr said:
If your buddy with the 2-3/4" gun wants to level the playing field and shoot at a normal 50yd range tell him to invest in some tungsten shells. They will kill geese easily at max range if the pattern is still good out there. That pattern retention is key. I use
3-1/2" #2 Wingmaster hevishot thru my Citori and routinely kill geese out to 80yds. Killed not wounded. After 80 the pattern falls apart and I won't shoot at em. The heavy #2 cuts thru feathers and meat easily and is better than the lead we used to use years ago.
I should mention that I used to have an SP10 that I liked to shoot steel thru. Steel shot sucks hands down. Half the birds we pick up are still alive. So I sold the 10 and stick with the hevishot thru the 12. Yeah its expensive but it works.
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I would be willing to gift someone a box of shells if they can provide unedited video footage of them CONSISTENTLY hitting a target (lets say a frying pan) at a CONFIRMED distance of 80 plus yards with a waterfowl load. Im willing to remove a few very important aspects of this whole “I can consistently kill a goose” talk and thats an actual flying bird at a height of whatever feet in less than perfect weather.
 
ive shot 100s of patterns with steel shot sized for geese. bb mostly but some bigger as well. very few loads out there id take shots past 40 yards with if were talking steel. many are no good for even 40, all depends on the individual barrel. the patters get too holy. I have a few wingmaster hd in #2 left, they will hold a great pattern to 60 yards and respond well to choking unlike steel. if the gun does not pattern I consider it stupid to take the shot and pray for the lucky bb to hit. I have killed wounded geese stone dead at 60 to 80 yards with a bb load. complete luck but she was wounded so let the steel fly. could never be done consistently cause the pattern is not there with steel.
 
3macs1 said:
Depends if it hits me or not. Had that happen and it hurts LOL
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I’ve dodged a duck or a goose here and there myself. But a land owners SUV wasnt so lucky on a pigeon hunt a couple years ago. Damn pigeon left a nice size dent on the roof. Luckily the owner was too short to ever see it so he didnt care much for the dent
 
Waterfowler said:
I'd pay money to watch someone ethically and consistently kill geese at 80 yards with any shotgun.
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there is always someone who cant hit the broad side of a barn if he was standing at point blank range from
that same person will call BS to someone that can hit a fly on the broadside of a barn with an elastic band gun from 25 feet away
Put yer money where yer mouth is
I charge $550 1/2 day for you I'd make an exception and charge $900
hows that for a joke HAHA bet it made ya choke on yer coffee almost HAHA
now ya gotta clean yer computer screen
 
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Anyone who can consistently shoot geese at 80+ yards should be representing team Canada at trap and skeet events. I bet those who do compete at high level shooting events would laugh at the jibroni’s who claim 80+ yards is effective. Once they collect themselves from a hard belly laugh, they will likely educate said jibroni with the difference between a yard and a foot.
 
1963beretta said:
Anyone who can consistently shoot geese at 80+ yards should be representing team Canada at trap and skeet events. I bet those who do compete at high level shooting events would laugh at the jibroni’s who claim 80+ yards is effective. Once they collect themselves from a hard belly laugh, they will likely educate said jibroni with the difference between a yard and a foot.
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Maybe we should ask to have this thread stickied so a) we don't have to go through this every month and b) those who have difficulty judging distances (I regularly drop big honkers at 80 yards!) can regularly reflect on their comments.
 
canvasback said:
Maybe we should ask to have this thread stickied so a) we don't have to go through this every month and b) those who have difficulty judging distances (I regularly drop big honkers at 80 yards!) can regularly reflect on their comments.
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This is a brilliant suggestion.
 
Cool story bro....but no one here believes you.

cant_rope_the_wind01 said:
there is always someone who cant hit the broad side of a barn if he was standing at point blank range from
that same person will call BS to someone that can hit a fly on the broadside of a barn with an elastic band gun from 25 feet away
Put yer money where yer mouth is
I charge $350 a day for you I'd make an exception and charge $500
hows that for a joke HAHA bet it made ya choke on yer coffee almost HAHA
now ya gotta clean yer computer screen
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cant_rope_the_wind01 said:
Told you $550 per 1/2 day (that's a special price just for you )you can put yer money where yer mouth is and I'll show you
in God I trust all others pay cash
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I have been reading your posts on the 80 yard shots and having spent a few hours my self guiding over the years it is clear to me you may have 40 years experience but it is one year 40 times. I am hearing how we shot geese back in the day with lead and you clearly have not changed your approach which is sad since that is not the method I would be sharing with my kids today
I have only had the opportunity to hunt sask maybe 4 times in my life and back then yes we made some long shots but most were all within 35 yards and that was lead or bismuth days except my last one was steel I think
You are way over priced for an old school guide IMO

When steel came out we changed how we shoot which pretty much eliminated the thought of ever trying 80 yard shots if you can shoot at all

I want you to think about this and then tell me why you are still trying to kill geese at 80 yards. For everyone you fluke how many go away crippled

Since steel shot we now use a new method of shooting a triple goose or duck kill. Start by shooting the third bird ( one farthest away)closest to you, then shoot the second ( one farthest away) closest then the close bird. Not the other way around as we have done for years
On average, the shot length will be shorter, which drastically increases your chances of dropping three birds. Let’s say you pull on the group of birds when the lead bird is 35 yards out, a comfortable shooting distance for many of us waterfowl hunters. With normal spacing in a group of birds, the third bird is going to be about 40 to 45 yards out, still a very make able shot, especially if the birds are still in landing mode, wings cupped, feet dragging. One the first shot, birds flare and try to climb and accelerate away from danger, putting shot number two at about 50 yards, the 40 yards it was at when you shot bird number one, plus 10 yards of get away flight. That should put the final bird at approximately 55 to 60 yards. Tougher shot, especially when it’s tail feathers may be facing you now, but definitely in killable range. Contrast this with where the third bird would be, adding roughly 20 to 25 yards to where it was on the first shot, and that puts the last shot at 75 to 80 yards.

If I am waiting for the kids to empty their guns then I will take maybe one longer shot not three since by then two would be nothing more than hail mary rounds if I tried since they would be 60 yard plus

I have run 100's in the clays games over the years not trap maybe a 90 there but skeet for sure which I am sure you have also to be making a challenge as you have but that being said I know I could never do it on a regular basis. Nor would I even want to try with steel shot
I don't care if you can hit 80 yards every shot on paper the energy it takes to kill a goose humanely from documented tests and usual loads bottoms around 65-70 yards with steel and that is with 1500 fps rounds. It is luck after that nothing more
BB's with a 4.85 ft-lbs of energy is required to penetrate to kill geese and steel 1's with 3.41 ft-lbs of energy to penetrate to kill geese over 65 yards you don't have that any more so why try shots over 60-65 yards???

Not that is matters but I still own and use four 10ga semi autos and have reloaded steel for them since 1994 so have a good idea what a 10ga can do and 80 yard shots is not one for me and my guns. My favorite is below an old goldwhich you will note on the barrel

KILL EM CLOSE

Cheers

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it has a lot to do with , shot size type of choke, and choke tube being used, barrel length,
with my 10 gauge, 30 inch barrel TT, or F shot my own reloads, and wad wizard choke tube , it is very possible 80 yards consistently get clean kills, if I want ,
I agree with you with what you say, like I stated earlier, I usually don't start shooting until the people with the 20 , gauges and 12 ga, 2 3/4 have shot at least twice, that takes the bird out far sometimes, as you will know it only take a few seconds and the birds can skedaddle out pretty fast
leaving me with some really long shots, I try not make a habit of it but, if I have to with those combinations I can still consistently instantly kill them at 80 yards, no fluke shots either,
I don't care if people don't believe me or not, because others cant do it doesn't mean to say some others can,
 
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