Ok thanks for the response!
Wolverine's WK180-C
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Ok thanks for the response!
xdmer
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Back in Greater Vancouver
After seeing 'the other guy's'' offering, I can only see the WK180-C being that much more successful. Can't wait to start seeing some hands on reviews. This has been really impressive so far.
swampcreek
New member
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- BC
Agreed.....price point etc...we need more detailed pics and reviews to see!!! If the quality is even close will be hands down winner!
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- East of Home, West of the Rest
Two different games. Two different winners.
Steel28
Regular
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- Ontario, CANADA
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- Onterrible
There are a couple aspects of "the other guy's" offering that I like over the WK180-C. It is tempting me. I like what I see. But at more than twice the price is it going to be twice as good? I don't think so. For now I'll have to pass.
As to the success of the WK180-C, it's basic economics. There are far (far being an understatement) more people who can drop a grand on the WK180-C than there are people who can drop over 2 g's on the other one.
The "other guy's" are about to get schooled in "economics 101". I do wish them success but they won't be selling 1000 in 75 hours. Guaranteed. Period.
I am glad to have two product offerings but the truth is, at under 1K, Wolverine has accessed the largest part of the market.
Can't wait for my WK180-C to show up.
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Red_Liner740
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- Tottenham
At 2K+, you're almost in the modern varminter and the new NR AR15-type rifles coming out....so why wouldnt i just choose those guys?
The AR-180B was supposed to be the cheaper manufacturing version of an intermediate cartridge rifle, for those who didnt want the space age (at the time) manufacturing style of the AR15. $1400 CAD for an upper alone? $300 barrel and $1100 for what else?
That is a hard PASS for me.
The AR-180B was supposed to be the cheaper manufacturing version of an intermediate cartridge rifle, for those who didnt want the space age (at the time) manufacturing style of the AR15. $1400 CAD for an upper alone? $300 barrel and $1100 for what else?
That is a hard PASS for me.
xdmer
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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I'm not sure what the two games are. I think / thought the market was looking for what Wolverine is offering.
I seen the 180* developments as affordable NR black rifles. I really love how Wolverine Supplies has been out in the open and answering questions the whole time. I like the aesthetics of the WK180-C better, and I like the other caliber plans etc..
I can't say I like those screwed on the others hand guard or that charging handle / receiver plate. I'm sure it has a market, just not one that I was aware of. Economics 101 or not, I think the WK180-C is what many / most wanted.
As far as the US market, there are plenty of awesome options at the same or lower price point. So I guess I really have no idea of their target audience.
I seen the 180* developments as affordable NR black rifles. I really love how Wolverine Supplies has been out in the open and answering questions the whole time. I like the aesthetics of the WK180-C better, and I like the other caliber plans etc..
I can't say I like those screwed on the others hand guard or that charging handle / receiver plate. I'm sure it has a market, just not one that I was aware of. Economics 101 or not, I think the WK180-C is what many / most wanted.
As far as the US market, there are plenty of awesome options at the same or lower price point. So I guess I really have no idea of their target audience.
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- East of Home, West of the Rest
The two games are the guys that will buy 2 rifles at 1000 bucks each all day.... and the guys that will buy one rifle for 2000 bucks instead.
There is a reason some people will buy an AR15 for $500... and others will spend 6 times that for something else. Same gun, but not the same gun.
No. The law of diminishing returns applies. Once you've got something good, e.g. the WK180-C, it typically takes more than twice the input to get a version twice as good. (Here's hoping lots of Gunnutz want, and can afford the big premium for, more or different or better, as they may see it, so availability of the WK180-C coincides sooner with availability of my disposable income - I wasn't in position to jump on the bandwagon right away.)
Duncan71
Regular
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- Calgary AB
So my math sucks, but at an expected starting ship date at 12-16 weeks, are we looking at possibly seeing this may? I pre ordered but dang would may/June be awesome.
Smokinyotes
CGN Regular
- Location
- Onoway Ab
When was your order placed. Mine was in in the first 24 hours but I do not know if I’m in the top 300. Wolverine has not stated that Kodiak is behind schedule so I’m hoping they are still on schedule for may/June
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- Onterrible
The more I think about it the more I'm glad I went with the WK180-C and didn't hold off until the "other guy's" version was available.
At $995 for the WK180-C it is affordable enough to put a few fancy parts into it and end up with something really nice. And still come out the cheapest of the two.
I have a Maple Ridge Armoury Match Series Stainless Straight Fluted .223 Wylde 1in8 twist barrel with the mid length gas system. Not going to use it for my SLR build anymore so on the 180-C it goes. Also have a Magpul MOE Fixed Carbine stock for it.
Rifle $995
Barrel $370
Buttstock $45
Total $1410
Heck, I could even put a nice trigger in it, and still come out hundreds of dollars ahead. I've been looking at the Trigger Tech Competitive 3.5 lb trigger. Nice trigger for $270. And if I don't want to buy that one I have a spare Timney drop in that would work.
The WK180-C has so much potential. A cheap gun to run it as it comes, yet cheap enough that making improvements is still economically feasible.
Yup, I think I made the right choice.
Thanks Wolverine for making this happen. I'm going to have so much fun.
At $995 for the WK180-C it is affordable enough to put a few fancy parts into it and end up with something really nice. And still come out the cheapest of the two.
I have a Maple Ridge Armoury Match Series Stainless Straight Fluted .223 Wylde 1in8 twist barrel with the mid length gas system. Not going to use it for my SLR build anymore so on the 180-C it goes. Also have a Magpul MOE Fixed Carbine stock for it.
Rifle $995
Barrel $370
Buttstock $45
Total $1410
Heck, I could even put a nice trigger in it, and still come out hundreds of dollars ahead. I've been looking at the Trigger Tech Competitive 3.5 lb trigger. Nice trigger for $270. And if I don't want to buy that one I have a spare Timney drop in that would work.
The WK180-C has so much potential. A cheap gun to run it as it comes, yet cheap enough that making improvements is still economically feasible.
Yup, I think I made the right choice.
Thanks Wolverine for making this happen. I'm going to have so much fun.
tstormt
Regular
- Location
- vancouver island
^^ Iam in the same boat as you, going the WK180-C and SLR route. I like the third offering but not as much as to think about getting it. I’ll be changing the barrel on the WK180-c when I get it to a 20 inch stain less steel.
This is exactly my plan, down to almost the same parts apart from the buttstock! I held off from the initial buy (mostly due to a lack of funds and spending time to try to downsize the personal inventory) but I'll certainly be putting down money later this year.
The RWA AR-180B is really pretty but god damn, more than 2k without the ability to change the handguard? No thanks, I'd rather support Wolverine and their product mostly because it's incredibly affordable and super modular.
Hell, the money left over even after upgrading the WK-180 compared to the starting price of the RWA version lets you buy a good 1000 rounds of 5.56 to throw down the pipe. The choice for me is obvious.
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- Onterrible
Just keep in mind that whatever barrel you get must have a mid length gas port location.
Gatehouse
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Pemberton BC
Exactly. And depending on the gun, I can be in either group.
There is always lots of talk on CGN about price, some guys go to great lengths to demand "cheap, cheap, cheap" and no doubt inexpensive guns will sell well. But there are plenty of higher priced guns that move too.
It's nice to have such choice these days.
swampcreek
New member
- Location
- BC
Has the wk180 been confirmed at short stroke piston or mid length piston yet?
Mr Wolverine
CGN Regular
- Location
- Manitoba. Canada
Our working prototypes were short length gas pistons, I wanted to change to mid length as I felt it would give a more balanced look. On reflection we have decided to stay with the short length gas system but using a mid length hand guard, we are getting good accuracy with this set up, so why change. We may look at mid length or even rifle length gas systems in the future but no promises, this could be 9 or 12 months away.
I did announce that all production guns were going to be mid length gas system, they will not, they will be short. If any one has ordered the WK180-C based on the mid length gas system they can cancel and have a full refund. Given that this change was mine and not as forecast I will, for this occurrence only, not charge the $50 admin fee if anyone wishes to cancel, sorry for any inconvenience that this may have caused for some customers.
We still expect that the first orders will be filled in May, not sure what our weekly deliveries will be at this time.
Chumlee Bumsnag
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- BC
Thank you for the update.
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