probably triple the cost of lead ammo. What do u think of your idea now?
Just when you thought the new gun bill was our greatest threat.......
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probably triple the cost of lead ammo. What do u think of your idea now?
You echo my thoughts on the numbers.
Long Colt: 28 shots per pound of lead. 45/70: 14 shots per pound.
I usually load these in batches of one or two hundred and shoot them about as fast as I load.
Shall we push for tungsten wheel weights on cars? Thrown balance weights must increase the lead content of every road margin in the country.
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The city tested lead content of the soil at the yellow knife shooting range,when I live there years ago,the levels of lead were high, but as the inspectors went away from the range and towards the highway the lead levels got much higher. This was because of contamination from automobiles in that are spewing lead near the highway. The area had been excavated by the city for sand,to use in various projects all over town, this ended up indicating that the city had spread lead contaminated sand throughout the municipality and had no idea where it was. Of course they dropped their argument pretty quick and left us alone,this is just bull####
Lead shot and fishing weights kill waterfowl.
Here's just one example, an excerpt from the New York State department of the environment.
The common loon, charismatic symbol of our northern lakes, faces a variety of threats linked to human activity. Among them is lead poisoning from the ingestion of lead fishing weights. Since 1987 nearly half of the adult loons found dead or moribund on New England freshwater lakes submitted to the Tufts University Wildlife Clinic have been diagnosed with lead poisoning. In New York, lead poisoning has accounted for about 30% of loon mortality documented, excluding mass mortalities from type E botulism on Lake Erie in recent years.
Still cheaper than paying for a handicapped child, so still a good idea while hunting, indoors, or shooting on uncontrolled land.
Anyone who doubts the harmful effects of lead exposure, particularly in children, needs to do some reading and improve their education. While I don’t think a full ban on lead ammo is called for I don’t see the harm in trying to reduce its use. If the industry and community can do so voluntarily it will look better on us.
On approved ranges with proper controls and remediation plans, and with adequate filtration and ventilation if indoors, lead poses minimal risk. Harvesting game and firing into uncontrolled land with lead is irresponsible when in many cases alternatives are available. So the cost to get a deer just went from $1.50 to $4.50; by no means a deal breaker and as demand and supply increase for non-toxic the price will drop.
Casting also poses minimal risk when proper precautions are taken but I’ve seen several set-ups without. You don’t need a P3 Lab, but doing so in a non-vented basement or garage is not the smartest choice.
At the end of the day it comes down to responsible use. I fully intend to teach my children how to shoot and hunt when they’re old enough. I also intend to teach them environmental responsibility and the risks involved with the materials we use. I think the change away from lead for hunting is long overdue; after all, shotgun hunting without lead seems to be working just fine and there was a crowd that resisted that as well.
I feel like a lot of the people saying lead bullets shouldn't be used for hunting, especially medium game hunting such as deer don't hunt much,
First of all, in modern hunting bullets they key factor is penetration and expansion as well as bullet retention, which is why bonded lead bullets are now very popular.
The problem with the lead free bullets is typically over or under expansion, solid copper expanding projectiles are typically meant for large and heavy skinned game, making them less ethical for smaller and medium sized game.
New technology in lead core and bonded bullets is terrific, giving you and ample amount of options to suit your specific needs.
And also I don't know of any lead free hunting bullet that offers me the same ballistic coefficient.
And Lastly and most importantly if you have a proper shot placement you should rarely ever be ingesting any lead from your harvested game, I don't know anyone who uses the bullet shocked meat around the entrance or exit wound of the animal, and typically where you kill zone is your not usually using that section as is.
I however can not say the same for game birds harvested with lead shot, I've done my fair share of biting down on piece of lead shot.
I don't see lead bullets going anywhere in the foreseeable future.
First of all, in modern hunting bullets they key factor is penetration and expansion as well as bullet retention, which is why bonded lead bullets are now very popular.
The problem with the lead free bullets is typically over or under expansion, solid copper expanding projectiles are typically meant for large and heavy skinned game, making them less ethical for smaller and medium sized game.
New technology in lead core and bonded bullets is terrific, giving you and ample amount of options to suit your specific needs.
And also I don't know of any lead free hunting bullet that offers me the same ballistic coefficient.
And Lastly and most importantly if you have a proper shot placement you should rarely ever be ingesting any lead from your harvested game, I don't know anyone who uses the bullet shocked meat around the entrance or exit wound of the animal, and typically where you kill zone is your not usually using that section as is.
I however can not say the same for game birds harvested with lead shot, I've done my fair share of biting down on piece of lead shot.
I don't see lead bullets going anywhere in the foreseeable future.
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will be extremely cost prohibitive. No more cheapo 22 LR.
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Well if they prohibit lead ammunition, the result will be predictable. Same as every other prohibition. There will be a run on supplies before the bill comes into force, followed by shortages. Smuggling and black market trade amongst formerly law abiding people will become rampant. Criminal enterprises will be formed to meet demand. Quality of ammunition will go down. Prices will go up. What little traceability and regulatory oversight there was will be lost. Prohibition will eventually be repealed in favour of a more balanced solution, but not only after buckets of money have been wasted, and honest people were put in jail and had their lives ruined.
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Depends. This is just a study, not a law. Any proposed law could easily include a ban on reloading, or it could include a ban on reloading only with lead components, and most certainly would include a ban on casting. Or it could simply involve adding such an onerous level of regulatory compliance necessary to cast or reload legally that they squeeze most people out of it.
This is just to close to April fools. Lol can you say non compliance 
Gov can always grandfather us lead farmers 
Sounds to much like this bullet control. This college student should fail for plagerism.
Chris rock bullet control.https://youtu.be/VZrFVtmRXrw
Thanks for the 11 pages of reading and some good laughs.
Gov can always grandfather us lead farmers Sounds to much like this bullet control. This college student should fail for plagerism. Chris rock bullet control.https://youtu.be/VZrFVtmRXrw
Thanks for the 11 pages of reading and some good laughs.
That this thread is highly active tells me his story has good traction, amongst gun owners no less. It will have even more traction with non-shooters. Cameron SS nailed it earlier; we either clean up our own mess voluntarily or someone else will force action. The science is solid and proper remediation techniques are known but largely ignored on public ranges.
Switching to lead-fee ammo is defiantly a good idea in my opinion. I'm starting to see a lot more lead free options for ammo and I feel like lead free ammo is gaining popularity. I just hope the government doesn't try to force it.
Remember back when everyone had an inefficient V8 engine that burned gallon after gallon of leaded gas, blanketing our environment in lead residue? If there’s a problem with lead in our environment, is it really from hunting, or perhaps we should look at all sources.
Related, if lead from used bullets is a significant health risk, I would imagine there are large parts of Europe that shouldn’t be occupied.
Related, if lead from used bullets is a significant health risk, I would imagine there are large parts of Europe that shouldn’t be occupied.
100% agreed, every generation before this shot and handled more lead then us going back to the musket.
And lived shorter and less productive lives. On that logic we should remove pollution controls from power plants, cars, and factories, bring back leaded fuel, smoke everywhere all the time, use asbestos insulation; you name it, let's roll back the clock to the glory days! The previous generations lived it!
There are always those who oppose progress; co-incidentally they're nearly always the same people who are on the wrong side of history.
I'm not advocating lead contamination is the sole or even largest environmental source. It is however one we can easily control, so why should we not?
Schools, hospitals, and roads.....just the worst. I have heard of several Utopias where government is essentially non-existent; Somalia, South Sudan, and the Central African Republic all come to mind. Libya, Syria, and North-West Pakistan are always options as well. I'm not sure how you would go about filing a refugee/asylum claim in any of these places due to the lack of government services. Maybe you just show up?
Target handgunners use approved ranges that have remediation plans, no problem.
I shoot my own weight in lead every 2 years.
Well, almost. 2500 rounds of 38 special (148 grains) and 2500 of 22lr (40 grains) per year. That's (2000*148)+(2500*40) = 470000 grains / 7000 grains/lb = 67lbs of lead per year. But this is at an indoor range, where lead is collected and recycled appropriately. Sounds like a lot? It's only a box of 50 per week...
Well, almost. 2500 rounds of 38 special (148 grains) and 2500 of 22lr (40 grains) per year. That's (2000*148)+(2500*40) = 470000 grains / 7000 grains/lb = 67lbs of lead per year. But this is at an indoor range, where lead is collected and recycled appropriately. Sounds like a lot? It's only a box of 50 per week...
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