Transport rules for pistol CFO is giving 2 answers

[shawn]

Thanks for your help Shawn -

No problem

The quote that you gave was "holder of a registration certificate" does holder mean physically on my person? So the registration certificate is not like a drivers license where one can be ticketed for not producing ones license upon request?

That is also defined in the links I posted:

Meaning of holder

(4) For the purposes of this Part, a person is the holder of

(a) an authorization or a licence if the authorization or licence has been issued to the person and the person continues to hold it; and
(b) a registration certificate for a firearm if
(i) the registration certificate has been issued to the person and the person continues to hold it, or
(ii) the person possesses the registration certificate with the permission of its lawful holder.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-19.html#h-37

Do you meet this requirement?

Again not to sound like a broken record, read the firearms act, it is only 75 pages, as well as Part III of the Criminal Code. The hour or two you spend reading these if well worth the time considering that punishments for running afoul of these laws usually start at 5 years in prison.

Shawn

 

[shawn]

But what the F@#% - it seems one need to be a Lawyer to figure out if a day at the range is kosher or not.

For the most part it is not that hard and everything is straight forward. The issue for many is they have not actually read the laws so they have no clue what they can or can not do.

Shawn

 

[Doors of Perception]

Thanks again shawn. I will be giving the Firearms act a read tomorrow morning.

So it looks like it is dry fire practice with laser targets for me until I get a copy of the registration certificate.

Perhaps the Ontario CFO will take pitty on me and email a copy of the registration. I'm a member of two ranges and I really want to get some practice in.

 

[gunnarheim]

The key words are notification and possession. These appear on the notification paper (buyer). You are allowed to take possession of the firearm. However it does not authorize you to take it to the range since you do not have the registration certificate yet. All you have is the notification. This was stressed in the safety course. You have to carry the certificate and your RPAL when transporting the firearm. It only takes about a week to get the certificate, so why not wait and save yourself the legal hassles if something happens. It is what it is and it's a no brainer.

 

[shawn]

You have to carry the certificate and your RPAL when transporting the firearm.

Did you even read the thread? LOL

Please do not post things as fact that you don't know about. Also read the firearms act, as it is clear you have not.

Shawn

 

[shawn]

Thanks again shawn. I will be giving the Firearms act a read tomorrow morning.

So it looks like it is dry fire practice with laser targets for me until I get a copy of the registration certificate.

Perhaps the Ontario CFO will take pitty on me and email a copy of the registration. I'm a member of two ranges and I really want to get some practice in.

Shawn

 

[gunnarheim]

Did you even read the thread? LOL

Please do not post things as fact that you don't know about. Also read the firearms act, as it is clear you have not.

Shawn

Yeah I did did you?

 

[shawn]

Yeah I did did you?

So post it up show me where you read that you have to carry it.

I already posted the law that says you dont.

Shawn

 

[Butcherbill]

Thanks again shawn. I will be giving the Firearms act a read tomorrow morning.

So it looks like it is dry fire practice with laser targets for me until I get a copy of the registration certificate.

Perhaps the Ontario CFO will take pitty on me and email a copy of the registration. I'm a member of two ranges and I really want to get some practice in.

If the Ontario cfo is anything like the BC cfo they won’t email you the registration, it’s pretty stupid when you think about it. They will email you your notice of transfer that allows you to pick up your firearm, which means it’s now been transferred into your name. Yet you still have to wait for the regi to come in the mail.

I’ve never waited more than a week for it to show up though, long enough to strip it down and clean it as well as dry fire it a bit.

 

[Pocisk]

The key words are notification and possession. These appear on the notification paper (buyer). You are allowed to take possession of the firearm. However it does not authorize you to take it to the range since you do not have the registration certificate yet. All you have is the notification. This was stressed in the safety course. You have to carry the certificate and your RPAL when transporting the firearm. It only takes about a week to get the certificate, so why not wait and save yourself the legal hassles if something happens. It is what it is and it's a no brainer.

The notification is a de facto registration certificate. It can't be a "sometimes" registration certificate, it either is or it isn't. If it isn't, then the CFO is erring in telling you you can bring your firearm home with it. If it is, then the CFO is erring in telling you you can't take your firearm to the range with it. There is no provision in the law for distinguishing transporting for the purpose of bringing a newly registered firearm home and transporting for the purpose of taking it to the range as pertains to registration certificates. Since it says right on the notification that you can now take possession of your firearm, then I'm going with it is a registration certificate.

 

[Pocisk]

So post it up show me where you read that you have to carry it.

I already posted the law that says you dont.

Shawn

He's not technically wrong about needing to carry a reg cert. Sure it's not a criminal offense and it's not punishable by a maximum penalty of life in prison, but you're still expected to be able to produce it on demand, otherwise they wouldn't seize your firearm when you can't.

 

[gunnarheim]

This is the source of the problems with this question, prior to C-42 all ATTs short or long had the condition of carrying the reg cert. It was never part of the firearms act or CCC, but it was on peoples conditions list for ATTs. So that translated into people parroting that you have to have the reg cret to transport BS.

There is no such law, and if your ATT, C-42 or otherwise, does not have that condition you do not require it to transport.

The answer to this questions resides in section 117 of the CCC:



http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-26.html#h-47

And there you have it. If you ever get stopped and don't have the reg cert with you, literally, all that can happen is seizure until you produce it.

Whether or not you choose to transport prior to actually having the reg cert is up to you, just be aware that if stopped you will have to produce it within 14 days under normal circumstances

Shawn

You said it yourself in this post. So is it worth it to go through a seizure of your firearm by not having the certificate on you at the time. I don't think so. Even after 14 days if you still do not have the certificate in hand, what do you do then? I guess you could tell them you have the notification stating that it has been processed.
On another note, it is the same thing with your RPAL. You receive the notification that it has been approved but since you do not have the actual license you are not entitled to possess a firearm. You could say its in the mail. I don't think that would cut it if ever questioned. Last week I called the Ontario CFO about a certificate that I hadn't received.yet. He told me that it had been mailed and as an aside said that I would have to wait for it before taking it to the range. So who do you believe some guy that does this all day for a living or some guy who spends most of his time pontificating on the Internet.

 

[gunnarheim]

The notification is a de facto registration certificate. It can't be a "sometimes" registration certificate, it either is or it isn't. If it isn't, then the CFO is erring in telling you you can bring your firearm home with it. If it is, then the CFO is erring in telling you you can't take your firearm to the range with it. There is no provision in the law for distinguishing transporting for the purpose of bringing a newly registered firearm home and transporting for the purpose of taking it to the range as pertains to registration certificates. Since it says right on the notification that you can now take possession of your firearm, then I'm going with it is a registration certificate.

I think everyone is getting confused with the definition of possession. You are allowed to have the gun in your home but you are not allowed to take it anywhere else without the actual registration certificate in hand. Al lthe notification says is that the transfer has been processed. You have to ask that an email notification be sent once the transfer is complete. Otherwise you would never get a notification from the CFO Why else would they send the certificate through the mail. not just email it along with the notification of transfer. because the certificate is addressed to you at your home delivered by Canada Post and not just sent to some spoofed email address.

 

[gunnarheim]

Where is everyone.? Am I the only one here?

 

[Pocisk]

Where is everyone.? Am I the only one here?

Don't you eat supper?

Anyway I disagree with your post, possession is possession, whether you're sitting at home, driving with it in the trunk or plinking at the range. If a cop has reason to suspect a crime is taking place in your home he can come in and investigate, and coming across your firearm, can demand you produce your reg cert, then seize your firearm if you can't.

 

[Unburnt Powder]

This is going to get fun.

 

[Chief hill]

Lol but the letter of the law says.
I don't read into this crap like everyone else. I'm safe, I legally own it. I transport as per legal guidelines and I don't call attention to myself.

I get a transfer notification I pick up the gun bring it home clean it, prep it. Bag it up as required by the transport guidelines and take it to the range and shoot it. I've never been bothered by the police. However if I'm asked here ya go, here is the transfer notification from the cfo. It shows its in you're name. Just waiting on another piece of paper. Formal reg certificate.
So if that's not good enough document now till the mailman gets here. charge me for a "paperwork crime". That's what real lawyers are for and legal insurance. Don't go to the internet for legal advice.
Read the laws and do what you think is right. At least a transfer notification is a document showing proof its in your name. Better that than not having anything. Lol

 

[gunnarheim]

Don't you eat supper?

Anyway I disagree with your post, possession is possession, whether you're sitting at home, driving with it in the trunk or plinking at the range. If a cop has reason to suspect a crime is taking place in your home he can come in and investigate, and coming across your firearm, can demand you produce your reg cert, then seize your firearm if you can't.

I eat while I type. Food in one hand and keyboard in the other hand method. Just stating what the CFO told me about transporting.. Think about prohibited firearms. You are allowed to possess some but you cannot transport them anywhere, not even to the range. Things are going to get very interesting once C-71 passes.. In the meantime I am enjoying this thread and my meal.

 

[Pocisk]

I eat while I type. Food in one hand and keyboard in the other hand method. Just stating what the CFO told me about transporting.. Think about prohibited firearms. You are allowed to possess some but you cannot transport them anywhere, not even to the range. Things are going to get very interesting once C-71 passes.. In the meantime I am enjoying this thread and my meal.

Bon appetit!

Transporting prohibs is an ATT issue, completely different situation.

 

[Chief hill]

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