Progressive for 300WM and ELD bullet?

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Is there a progressive/auto index turret that can do 300 WM with208gr ELD bullet on Redding compt. seater?

I tryed the lee classic turret and LNL AP, no luck

putting the bullet is a chore and finished ammo get stuck on the edge of the seater bushing
 
Why would you want to waste time creating "spray and pray" quality ammo for a 300? You apparently have high quality dies that are used to make precision ammo, a progressive or turret press is not the correct tool to make quality accurate ammo with. The run out from most of the turret and ALL of the progressives that are not ammo manufacturer grade will not produce high quality ammo that has reasonable concentricity or precise powder charges.
 
While I do agree that preping brass and using a single stage whould probably help get sub 1/4 moa ammo, I’m pretty sure I’ll have more problem with wind which can throw the bullet 2-7 MOA off target.

Current life (last 10years) is buzy with young kid (2yr+1 coming), 60-80hours/ week job and at most I can get a few hours per 2 weeks for myself.

The classic turret was capable of single stage reloading by removing the indexing rod. I was maybe thinking of a T7 turret but I’m not sure I would really save time. I was thinking of preping the brass than use the LNL AP with Redding Match bushing Fl resize/prime/Powder measure (+-0.2gr would be okay), dillon powder check/redding comp seater. I’m sure good ammo could be done, probably not for competition but accurate range ammo. But the seating is a b***h and lock the machine.

I’m gonna order a Lyman prep xpress and use it also for triming. I would prefer to prime/deprime on a machine than buying 200$ of hand priming tool and get to do it almost in bed.
 
no-one special said:
Why would you want to waste time creating "spray and pray" quality ammo for a 300? You apparently have high quality dies that are used to make precision ammo, a progressive or turret press is not the correct tool to make quality accurate ammo with. The run out from most of the turret and ALL of the progressives that are not ammo manufacturer grade will not produce high quality ammo that has reasonable concentricity or precise powder charges.
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Man oh man Where do I start with this garbage...Hole -in hole ammo can be easily made with any of the turret/progressive presses mentioned here...the operator just has to have the knowledge & skill to take advantage of some of the inexpensive excellent equipment we have available to us these days. I have never used an LNL but I have extensively used the Lee Classic Cast Turret and Dillon 650 to make hole-in-hole rounds for a # of different rifles with just run of the mill dies. Personally I think someone with a very well thought out and well adjudicated loading procedure can produce equally efficient ammo produced with all the micrometer precision equipment you can acquire.
 
fingers284 said:
Man oh man Where do I start with this garbage...Hole -in hole ammo can be easily made with any of the turret/progressive presses mentioned here...the operator just has to have the knowledge & skill to take advantage of some of the inexpensive excellent equipment we have available to us these days. I have never used an LNL but I have extensively used the Lee Classic Cast Turret and Dillon 650 to make hole-in-hole rounds for a # of different rifles with just run of the mill dies. Personally I think someone with a very well thought out and well adjudicated loading procedure can produce equally efficient ammo produced with all the micrometer precision equipment you can acquire.
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I figure myself to be a "pretty knowledgeable" operator when it comes to reloading and have owned several progressive and turret presses and in my experience ALL presses that have the casings move from station to station have increased tolerance issues when compared to loading on a good quality single stage press. The BR guys typically tend to use arbor presses to keep concentricity variations to a minimum.

Currently owning a Dillon 650 and having run many thousands of rounds of rifle ammo through it for my MGs I can see absolutely no way that the system can not introduce variables in concentricity, and even with ball powder the throw is plus or minus of the desired amount of powder, something that weighing each charge allows one to correct.

I guess more clarity from the OP is in order. Do you only intend to size and seat using a progressive or turret press? What are your ammo quality requirements? For plinking you should be ok, but for match I am skeptical and believe you would be better off using a single stage press.

YMMV
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
I figure myself to be a "pretty knowledgeable" operator when it comes to reloading and have owned several progressive and turret presses and in my experience ALL presses that have the casings move from station to station have increased tolerance issues when compared to loading on a good quality single stage press. The BR guys typically tend to use arbor presses to keep concentricity variations to a minimum.

Currently owning a Dillon 650 and having run many thousands of rounds of rifle ammo through it for my MGs I can see absolutely no way that the system can not introduce variables in concentricity, and even with ball powder the throw is plus or minus of the desired amount of powder, something that weighing each charge allows one to correct.

I guess more clarity from the OP is in order. Do you only intend to size and seat using a progressive or turret press? What are your ammo quality requirements? For plinking you should be ok, but for match I am skeptical and believe you would be better off using a single stage press.

YMMV
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Quoted for truth. Even single stage units vary from good to excellent+ when it comes to building match ammo. Dave.
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
This is exactly what motivated me to design a press that has so little deviation in the rams travel from bottom to top that it is extremely hard to measure.
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While I do not load the big "50", I can see that your Accu-Maxx Press is a dandy.
However, I cannot justify the cost. I am running a pair of CO-AX units ATM, and
they are pretty decent for a factory single stage press.

OP, you should avail yourself of a decent single stage press for that 300. :) Dave.
 
Eagleye said:
While I do not load the big "50", I can see that your Accu-Maxx Press is a dandy.
However, I cannot justify the cost. I am running a pair of CO-AX units ATM, and
they are pretty decent for a factory single stage press.

OP, you should avail yourself of a decent single stage press for that 300. :) Dave.
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Nothing wrong with the Co-Ax press for sure, and I totally understand not everyone needing the capabilities that our press has.
 
Excellent in production presses include the bigger, heavier units from RCBS, Redding, Lyman, Hornady, etc.
Excellent+ The Forster CO-AX and, obviously the ATRS Accu-Maxx is the king.
good = Many lower priced, but solid units from the same makers that make excellent heavy units.
Some entry level single stage presses are OK, others are a waste of good money.
Buy once, cry once is a phrase that is valid in this discussion. Dave.
 
odsixer said:
How about a turret press such as the Redding t7?
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IF .004 to .010 run out from bottom of stroke to top of stroke and up to .010 play in the turret is acceptable, they work at making ammo.
Concentricity is affected by these variations in how much or how little the press is out of alignment from round to round.
Ideally a press should have no more than .001 run out from bottom of stroke to top of stroke. The top plate should have ZERO movement which is not possible in any turret press, and it develops a larger movement over time due to use. Tolerances increase as things get worked.
 
Icefire said:
Is there a progressive/auto index turret that can do 300 WM with208gr ELD bullet on Redding compt. seater?

I tryed the lee classic turret and LNL AP, no luck

putting the bullet is a chore and finished ammo get stuck on the edge of the seater bushing
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So your main issue is not enough height clearance from the shell plate to the bottom of the dies?
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
A "good" press will have between .001" and .003" total run out, a great press will be under .001" total run out. Junk presses exceed .005" total run out, and there are many of them. Typically the low cost mass produced ones.
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Which one would qualify for a great press? there must be some mass marketed one.
 
Specs for Hornady LNL AP:
Maximum cartridge length: 2.5″ case, 3.4″ COL

Specs for 300 Wim Mag:
Case length 2.62 in (67 mm)
Overall length 3.34 in (85 mm)300 Win Mag:

Classic Turret Press:
Our Classic Turret Press also has the auto index feature, and is capable of loading cartridges with an overall length of 3.313" or less. Anything longer would require the turret to be manually advanced.
 
Icefire said:
Which one would qualify for a great press? there must be some mass marketed one.
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Of the mass produced presses we found the Redding Ultra Mag to be very good, the Co-ax is also very good, meaning very little run out. The older RCBS Rock Chucker also was very good, the newer version not as good.
Lee and Hornady new not bad but after a little use run out increased significantly.
Our AccuMaxx at the shop has loaded literally hundreds of thousands of round of everything from smaller rifle up to 20mm and still has less than .0005" total run out. I suspect the same from Walnut Hill/Corbin, I did not use the Corbin I had much so can't say how they stand up long term, but given they also run bushings and guide rods feel they would last up as well as ours, but they are even more spendy than our press and is not as well designed with their 180 degree throw of the handle.
 
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