Liberals passing the buck..

HOSSONE said:
Back to the start of this thread, thanks Wolverine for your hard work. Wish we had more people out there like you. Its pretty depressing when i cant even get my gun club to send out a Mass email about C-71. Just inform people, but they are probably to scared to offend someone.......
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Not only has Wolverine put their time in, and then some, they ran a raffle for a mouth watering gun with all proceeds going to charity. That should have been a signal to all of us to start down the path of redefining ourselves and building a new image.

The tickets should have gone in 12 hours given all the yapping about black guns on here. I think it took nearly two weeks to sell them IIRC which to me was bitterly disappointing.

Unless we take strong, consistent and tangible action to define ourselves in the public eye as the citizens that we really are we will be cut off at the knees by the Liberal propaganda machine. A machine that was in full view with the almost inevitable passage of C-17.

If your gun club is so politically correct, maybe you can get them out to volunteer on a Habitat for Humanity site wearing club T shirts. Dealing with root causes of firearms abuse could then come up as a topic with the other volunteers at break time and if you are interviewed by the local press?
 
Steve_B said:
What about local protests for short period rolling across country as noon strikes?
Emphasize (1) were functional members of society w real jobs not professional activists, (2) we’re in every community, (3) we’re not threatening ordinary people (so not open carry, not burning effigies)

My 2.
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I agree that peaceful, professional protests have some value although 15,000 of us on Parliament Hill did nothing to stop the LGR.

Maybe better for us to get out and spend the time very visibly volunteering for NGOs that deal with root causes and show people that we care?

It's really the only thing that I can think of that we haven't tried before.
 
FLYBYU44 said:
You sir, get it...This is exactly the road we are headed down. And electing a Con government might (strong might) help for 4 years, then we are back in the same spot again. It seems the Cons can only get elected after a horrible Liberal government is in.
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If we defined ourselves as valuable allies in addressing root causes of crime we may be able to become attractive to all parties rather than merely tolerated (and manipulated) by one party?

Social justice warriors would have a harder time attacking a group that dedicates time and treasure to dealing with homelessness (a John Tory hot button), mental illness & PTSD (a concern to everyone), joblessness etc. Just because we own politically incorrect objects.

Right now we're just a bunch of loud mouth renegades that seem to revel in the fact that those who have the power to take our guns are afraid of us. Duh!
 
Again, to all those that are worried if this bill has been passed. NO, IT HAS NOT BEEN PASSED. No matter how bad these lib-fu3ks want to pass this bill, it still needs to go through its checks and balances in the HoC and the Sen, then signed through the govener gen. Right now, Trudeau and his infinite promise to Canada, is to pass and legalize marijuana BEFORE the summer hits. Well, these goofs start their summer break on June 23 and are off for a few months. Theirs been rumors that they will work through their summer vacation in order to pass this bill in the summer, rather than late fall. How'ver, it will still take two months After the bill passes, for shops to even get their #### in order (says news outlets) nevertheless, this bill #### 71, won't be seeing a pass until late fall early winter. So buy your non restricteds now, before this so called 2/3 registry comes into a FULL registry, which we all know its going to be.

Hope this clarified any concerns if this bill has been "passed" yet.
 
King0265 said:
Protest on the hill?
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Been there / done that and got the No C-68 T shirt.

Check this link from 1998 and tell me what we're doing differently 20 years later?

https ://www.producer.com/1998/09/antigun-control-movement-plans-parliament-hill-rally/

Wolverine and the retailers have their shyte together and are the best org IMO and Wolverine tried the charity raffle route. Didn't seem to catch on unfortunately.
 
Visibly volunteering w NGOs would be a fantastic step.
Sadly, I think you’d find a lot of closed doors in Toronto, some of those NGOs would probably rather let their clients suffer rather than risk a media leak that they are partnered with gun owners... but who knows what could happen.
Wolverine is definitely on the right track w charity donations I think.
 
CanadianRouge said:
Again, to all those that are worried if this bill has been passed. NO, IT HAS NOT BEEN PASSED. No matter how bad these lib-fu3ks want to pass this bill, it still needs to go through its checks and balances in the HoC and the Sen, then signed through the govener gen. Right now, Trudeau and his infinite promise to Canada, is to pass and legalize marijuana BEFORE the summer hits. Well, these goofs start their summer break on June 23 and are off for a few months. Theirs been rumors that they will work through their summer vacation in order to pass this bill in the summer, rather than late fall. How'ver, it will still take two months After the bill passes, for shops to even get their #### in order (says news outlets) nevertheless, this bill #### 71, won't be seeing a pass until late fall early winter. So buy your non restricteds now, before this so called 2/3 registry comes into a FULL registry, which we all know its going to be.

Hope this clarified any concerns if this bill has been "passed" yet.
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You are absolutely correct and thank you for clarifying the process that every citizen should know.

But now we seem focused on delay tactics when our mission should be to change the game no?
 
SteelCap said:
Looks like libs are rushing to have something to show for next year.
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I guess having something bad to show takes priority over nothing at all.

80,000 gun owners signed the petition. The rest are asleep or dont care.

From a purely tactical point of view I dont care if they pass the bill and bring it into force immediately. 650,000 RPAL holders will get an ATT revocation letter in the mail and about 400,000 PAL holders will have to renew under the new rules. Hence a lot more gun owners will be paying attention to the next federal election.

Only risk to this is the conservatives and whether they want to campaign on comprehensive repeal, and then actually do it.
 
Steve_B said:
Visibly volunteering w NGOs would be a fantastic step.
Sadly, I think you’d find a lot of closed doors in Toronto, some of those NGOs would probably rather let their clients suffer rather than risk a media leak that they are partnered with gun owners... but who knows what could happen.
Wolverine is definitely on the right track w charity donations I think.
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When I started on this crusade I talked to CMHA reps in Alberta and head office in Ottawa and not one was repulsed by the idea of gun owners working to reduce the stigma of mental illness, prevent suicide or make the public more aware of mental health services.

In truth they made it very clear that they would not form a direct association with gun owners, or any other org for that matter. But they would invite us to provide them with funds to develop specific programs of benefit to us.
 
And no, I'm not trying to hijack the thread because in addition to being a standout representative of our community in so many ways Wolverine had the courage to try to make a real connection between gun owners and two very worthwhile charities.

I laud them for that.
 
Anyone with suggestions of how we can reach all the gun owners in Canada? Because it's clear to me, through the lack of interest/knowledge when it comes to Bill C 71 and what it means to gun owners in this country, that this forum is only the tip of the iceberg, and that iceberg could have sunk Bill C71 if only we'd all been in its path.
Just wondering what public resource, besides the internet, we can use to get us all involved in defending our civil rights, instead of some of us watching them erode beneath us, while the rest of us stand by in oblivion.
 
The real problem isn’t the numbers. It’s the fact that the libs won’t listen anyway. 80000 signatures should show that there’s people out there when 70 signatures made goodale look at possibly banning the AR-15.
 
But there isn’t 80,000 signatures... until the media tells people that the government is trampling over 80,000 citizens.

And that’s the problem. That coverage is how we go from 80K clicking away in quiet anger heard only by our (long suffering) loved ones, to 2 million-sized iceberg.
 
BR427 said:
Not so long ago, I had a letter published in the Telegram in NL against an editorial "Guns Blazing" which I believe was printed in other Atlantic newspapers as well. In no time, a local FUDD responded to the paper singing the praises of the sensible gun laws in Canada and telling me that I had no idea of what bill-c 71 was all about. Bill c-71 had nothing to do with banning semi auto firearms, according to this person and he also stated that no hunter needs any more than 2 or 3 rounds to hunt. I pointed out that in times gone by, there were 12.5 prohibs that, in the beginning, were allowed to be brought to ranges and shot. Then, in the early 2000s, they were determined to be too dangerous to bring to a range and never allowed out of a safe again. The exact same scenario being cooked up for the Swiss Arms and CZs. I also pointed out that sport shooters and others may well like to be able to use more than 2 or 3 rounds at a time. This same individual stated that the AR 15 was on the prohibited firearm list in kanada, and that it was quite dangerous because of it's high rate of semi auto fire and that if I didn't know this, I must be an idiot. He also claimed to be a veteran with intimate knowledge of the FN FAL. In a rebuttal letter I stated that the AR 15 was restricted only, and that it could only fire as fast as one could pull the trigger. Then this idiot replies that I had lied and left out the fact that an FN is a select fire assault rife. Some are, but mine was made semi auto with no select fire. These #######s are more of an enemy to gun owner's than the antis. As much as I hate to say it, I've got more respect for a full on anti, than for a ####iong fudd. These asshoeles think my gun is fine, but your's isn't because it scares me. Fudds are the scum of the earth.
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Sometimes I wonder if some of those "fudds" are not simply antis passing themselves off as hunters... Sort of like a fifth column fighting behind the lines and causing confusion on the opposing side, using a divide and conquer approach. That said, if the fellow was indeed a hunter, then we are really our worst enemy. Nothing surprises me anymore... Good on you to have answered back to restore some truth to the discussion.
 
scout_289 said:
When I started on this crusade I talked to CMHA reps in Alberta and head office in Ottawa and not one was repulsed by the idea of gun owners working to reduce the stigma of mental illness, prevent suicide or make the public more aware of mental health services.

In truth they made it very clear that they would not form a direct association with gun owners, or any other org for that matter. But they would invite us to provide them with funds to develop specific programs of benefit to us.
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So they will take our money but don't want to be seen with us in public. Classy.
 
cheb said:
Sometimes I wonder if some of those "fudds" are not simply antis passing themselves off as hunters... Sort of like a fifth column fighting behind the lines and causing confusion on the opposing side, using a divide and conquer approach. That said, if the fellow was indeed a hunter, then we are really our worst enemy. Nothing surprises me anymore... Good on you to have answered back to restore some truth to the discussion.
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"Claybuster" comes to mind..But he is banned (under that name anyway..)
I think you might be right and the usual suspects show up on controversial topics. You won't see then in most firearms related threads just the ones to spout their political cr@p.
 
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