270 Winchester for bull elk

On paper (reloading manual) 2" and 200 fps may not seem a great difference to you et al, however to me, there is a vast difference. I don't classify myself as a elk hunter, this was only my 7th elk that I killed. What I do know, through experience, is that they are a brawny animal. I will not utilize a standard cartridge for such an animal, case in point, I only use magnum cartridges for all big game. The Great Plains of Alberta is big wide open country and the magnum cartridge really makes a difference, even if it is only 2" and 200 fps.

This post is proof that you should never be taking any shot at game beyond the "point blank range" of your outfit. Such faith that a cartridge with "magnum" in its name will make up for what Boomer has carefully articulated in post 76 with some arbitrary 2 inch trajectory advantage over something else is very misplaced indeed. Any differences in trajectory can be compensated by any competent shooter by simply holding wherever he should for the trajectory of the cartridge he is shooting. "Magnum" in the name is completely irrelevant.

Good post, Boomer.
 
I agree, performance matters, but as suggested by 1899, the same criticism you make against the .270 can also be leveled against the 7mm Remington by someone shooting a long barrel 7 STW, 7mm-300, or .28 Nosler. Regardless of the name or size of the cartridge you shoot, if you shoot at a range where bullet drop takes you off target, you need to have the knowledge, experience, and equipment that allows you to make an ethical shot on a live target. The cartridge is only one element of the whole. You'll need a laser range finder to accurately measure the range, a correctable ballistic solver and/or a record book of your adjustments for elevation and wind for your rifle and load at the range you need to shoot from, a scope that has repeatable elevation and windage adjustments, or has hold offs in the recticle, and you have experience making long range, cold bore shots in a variety of conditions, from field positions. You also need the wisdom not to attempt a marginal shot at any range on a live target. Then there are considerations of the moment, you need a solid position to shoot from, good light, a clear unobstructed view of the target, identify mirage, and have an accurate assessment of wind strength and direction, relative to the direction of the shot. 500 yards is only "long range" to someone who doesn't regularly shoot long range, but its far enough that a successful shot cannot be made in a thoughtless manner. To summarize, attempting to make a case for the superiority of one cartridge that is ballistically similar to another, based on typical performance resulting in a difference of a couple of inches in trajectory, at whatever range we're talking about, misses the point entirely.

I agree what you are saying, makes sense. I guess it may boil down to personal choice of cartridge and capabilities of an individual with that firearm. The OP can pass all this information on to his co-worker....... a 270 Win. is capable of killing equally as any magnum cartridge.;)
 
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Good Post, Bommer --- the .270 Win. is a great cartridge, use the right weight bullet for the game you are hunting , for Elk , 150 - 160 grains --- and don,t shoot beyond your limitations . ---- This thread , sure has a Lot of Great information on it ----
 
The difference in trajectory is 2" at 300 yards, not 500 yards, using 160 grain bullets. The 270 would be roughly 9" low and the 7mm rem mag would be 7" low. At 500 yards the difference is 5-6".
 
The difference in trajectory is 2" at 300 yards, not 500 yards, using 160 grain bullets. The 270 would be roughly 9" low and the 7mm rem mag would be 7" low. At 500 yards the difference is 5-6".

Despite what was mentioned, I'll retain possession of all my magnum rifles. I'm not interested to have that rainbow trajectory from a standard cartridge when there are magnums that shoot faster, flatter and hits harder.
 
Despite what was mentioned, I'll retain possession of all my magnum rifles. I'm not interested to have that rainbow trajectory from a standard cartridge when there are magnums that shoot faster, flatter and hits harder.

The anecdotal evidence here suggests it might work otherwise.
 
The difference in trajectory is 2" at 300 yards, not 500 yards, using 160 grain bullets. The 270 would be roughly 9" low and the 7mm rem mag would be 7" low. At 500 yards the difference is 5-6".

Correct, I went back and checked my data, and somehow I had mistakenly taken the trajectories in MAO and relayed them in inches. The difference in drop at 500 is 37" for the 7 mag and 45" for the . 270; 8" @ 500 is 1.6 MAO, not 2".

I did not choose these examples as best case examples for either cartridge, but as loads which might be typically chosen by elk hunters intending to shoot across normal hunting ranges, but being faced with a long shot. IMHO, this shows that either cartridge is capable despite my number fumbling.
 
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Correct, I went back and checked my data, and somehow I had mistakenly taken the trajectories in MAO and relayed them in inches. The difference in drop at 500 is 37" for the 7 mag and 45" for the . 270; 8" @ 500 is 1.6 MAO, not 2".

I did not choose these examples as best case examples for either cartridge, but as loads which might be typically chosen by elk hunters intending to shoot across normal hunting ranges, but being faced with a long shot. IMHO, this shows that either cartridge is capable despite my number fumbling.
No worries, I've read enough of your posts to know that you made an honest mistake. Your one of the more experienced hunters on this forum. I've enjoyed your posts over the years. I like the 140 grain bullet in a 270 win myself. Your right, the 270 is capable.
 
There is no such thing as the perfect cartridge or perfect platform or perfect bullet for any given game species... it is all relative to the variable parameters of real world hunting scenarios... we just do our best to choose a combination of "rifle/cartridge/bullet/load" that we think will be effective for the anticipated circumstances... hunt long enough and you will eventually choose wrong... hopefully you will be knowledgeable enough to recognize when your equipment choices are "not" suitable and mature enough to pass on the shot.
 
There is no such thing as the perfect cartridge or perfect platform or perfect bullet for any given game species... it is all relative to the variable parameters of real world hunting scenarios... we just do our best to choose a combination of "rifle/cartridge/bullet/load" that we think will be effective for the anticipated circumstances... hunt long enough and you will eventually choose wrong... hopefully you will be knowledgeable enough to recognize when your equipment choices are "not" suitable and mature enough to pass on the shot.

No, no, no. Hoyt you disappoint me. The perfect cartridge and platform is the one I am buying next. I’m not sure what that is right now, but once I figure it out I am going to buy it! Why else would I buy another rifle?!?
 
No, no, no. Hoyt you disappoint me. The perfect cartridge and platform is the one I am buying next. I’m not sure what that is right now, but once I figure it out I am going to buy it! Why else would I buy another rifle?!?

Oopss... sorry, didn't mean to burst the "Gun Nutz Bubble!" ;)
 
There is no such thing as the perfect cartridge or perfect platform or perfect bullet for any given game species... it is all relative to the variable parameters of real world hunting scenarios... we just do our best to choose a combination of "rifle/cartridge/bullet/load" that we think will be effective for the anticipated circumstances... hunt long enough and you will eventually choose wrong... hopefully you will be knowledgeable enough to recognize when your equipment choices are "not" suitable and mature enough to pass on the shot.

Just paste this into every, weekly, 223 is a great deer caliber.
 
Sweet Jebus. The 270 vs 7mm scrap is as old as the hills, why are people taking it so personally? Both will kill an elk at most distances people feel is humane. Or moose, or a damned coyote. They both put north American big game in the damned freezer. My current hunting rifle is a 7 mag, but a lightweight 270 will likely make its way into my safe. Shoot what you have, get proficient at it, and be happy.
 
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