Assault Rifles For Hunters = "Terrorist Rifles" - Jim Zumbo Blog

And "Assault Rifle" is actually a defined term and cannot properly be thrown around to label anything we want it to! We are sometimes our own worst enemies on this. No non-restricted firearm in Canada is an assault rifle!

In order to be an assault rifle a rifle has to have three characteristics:

1 - must fire an intermediate round
2 - must be selective fire
3 - must be able to accept high capacity magazines

And you need all three to be an Assault Rifle. Anything that looks military'ish or scary or black is not an assault rifle!

It's about time someone posted this as far too many people that rant on about assault rifles do not even know what an assault rifle is.The media is ignorant enough where this topic is concerned without help from gun owners.
 
Mumptia said:
As hunters we are up against the dark side of perception every day.

Semantics plays a huge part in the gun community. I've always looked at a weapon as a tool of war and a gun as a tool of hunting or target shooting.

So what about Grandpa's Lee-Enfield? Bubba'd or not, they still kill moose just as well as the killed Nazis. The latest thing in hunting weapons usually seems to be last war's service rifle.

To my mind, a gun is a weapon; doesn't matter whether you use it on deer or Taliban. Shooting somebody with a Remington 700 will kill them just as dead as shooting them with an M24 :).
 
rdelliott said:
So what about Grandpa's Lee-Enfield? Bubba'd or not, they still kill moose just as well as the killed Nazis. The latest thing in hunting weapons usually seems to be last war's service rifle.

To my mind, a gun is a weapon; doesn't matter whether you use it on deer or Taliban. Shooting somebody with a Remington 700 will kill them just as dead as shooting them with an M24 :).

By that logic, my axe and hammer are also weapons!
 
the_big_mike said:
By that logic, my axe and hammer are also weapons!
They can be used as weapons, yes, same as a car.

As far as I'm concerned , if it has a trigger on one end, and a hole that a projectile comes out fast enough to kill a critter, fine , hunt with it.
Just don't be telling me I should or shouldn't be hunting with the same thing.

I'm sure there are lots of people out there who hate single shot falling block rifles as well as long bows.
That doesn't give them the right to put them down or put down those that use them to hunt with.
Zumbo was an idjit for saying what he did, he should have known that he would be barbequed for it!:cool:
Cat
 
Calum said:
Methinks the Fudds out there have to realize that every part on their Modern hunting rifle is a byproduct if not an outright copy of what was once considered a state of the art military design. :rolleyes:

Exactly. :)

Dimitri
 
For anyone that wants to forgive Zumbo & give him a second chance, here's a link to a petition you can sign.

Not a chance,he deserves whatever his statement bring him even if it means the end of his career.The anti gun people have used his statements to advantage to turn more people against gun owners and hunters,so the damage is already done.
 
rdelliott said:
So what about Grandpa's Lee-Enfield? Bubba'd or not, they still kill moose just as well as the killed Nazis. The latest thing in hunting weapons usually seems to be last war's service rifle.

To my mind, a gun is a weapon; doesn't matter whether you use it on deer or Taliban. Shooting somebody with a Remington 700 will kill them just as dead as shooting them with an M24 :).

The ol' 303 is just another perception. Been around for many moons and over the years has earned a spot in the gun cabinet. Its a miliitary rifle but it has the sport hunting look bubba'd or not. Non's usually leave us alone when we are using guns that "look" like hunting guns (you know, wooden barrel or lamninate or composite with a kind of long black or silver barrel thingy and a monocular on the top:rolleyes: )

I don't agree with the perception at all. We are constantly dealing with closed minds on this topic. We get into trouble when we start laying judgment on our fellow shooters (target or hunting) as to what they should or should not be using and that is what happened in the article. Zumbo put his foot in his mouth right to his knee and when all of his sponsors are finished with him, he might just learn how the social insurance down in the states works.

You prefer the term weapon over gun. You'll get no arguements from me. It usually makes no difference to most shooters but when you talk to others who are un-educated about firearms or anti I think that a level head with softer terminology will win over other approaches.
 
And "Assault Rifle" is actually a defined term and cannot properly be thrown around to label anything we want it to! We are sometimes our own worst enemies on this. No non-restricted firearm in Canada is an assault rifle!

In order to be an assault rifle a rifle has to have three characteristics:

1 - must fire an intermediate round
2 - must be selective fire
3 - must be able to accept high capacity magazines

And you need all three to be an Assault Rifle. Anything that looks military'ish or scary or black is not an assault rifle!

Hey that almost sounds like the 30/30 Winchester...just get one parkerized, and add some picatinny rails. :D
 
judging by your track record on bears and deer with an SKS why would you EVER think of taking it for moose and/or goat? two animals famous for soaking up poor hits from underpowered rifles?
 
judging by your track record on bears and deer with an SKS why would you EVER think of taking it for moose and/or goat? two animals famous for soaking up poor hits from underpowered rifles?

Look, if our hunting master Bigredd needs to practice follow up shots with his high power civilian rifle, there's enough reason for me to hunting with semiauto high power military assault rifle which has been mentioned by media over and over.

:shotgun::shotgun:
 
*** like you managed to get them rifles (sks and such) prohibited in many countries. Both for hunting and recreational shooting. Keep up the good work and show us all how much you care.
 
Hiking up to the goat mountains and then using a marginal cartridge like 7.62x39 on a goat seems like a recipe for disappointment and wasted effort.
 
Rollingrock - knock it the hell off.

That cartridge with that load is marginal for deer and bear - it's certanly not acceptible for moose except possibly in the hands of a real expert. Which you clearly are not. So posting that here is just plain trolling.

You'll find yourself kicked off this site if you keep it up. There is very little patience left for trolls or #### disturbers, and zero for those who would wound animals. A 123 grain bullet in 30 cal at those velocities is obviously not acceptable for moose, and only a rank amature would even consider it for goat.

Get a grip.
 
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